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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #420 on: January 23, 2013, 19:19:02 pm »
Happy Birthday to Sam!  Wow - 3 years old!

Sorry to hear about the new tantrums and the night terror.  L hasn't had one but they sound awful :(  FX you can get him back on track with the EBT.
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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #421 on: January 23, 2013, 19:20:23 pm »
Thanks Sweetpea.x.



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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #422 on: January 23, 2013, 19:26:56 pm »
Do you want her to have a nap every day?

At this point I think I'd be happier with a happy toddler than a nap every day...

how late are her bt's getting? & what length /time of nap is that with?

She goes to bed at 8pm, can take 20-60min to settle...The nights she takes 60min to settle are sooo frustrating because that makes bedtime 9pm!  She's spirited so I know she's going to take more time to settle at night than other kids, but I also don't want her going to sleep at 9pm.  She's sleeping only 60min for her nap these days, and I can't cut it anymore, as it is there are days she asks for "more nap" :(

Our normal schedule is this:
8am Wakeup
2-3pm Nap
8pm Bed (sometimes doesn't fall asleep until 9pm :( )

So today I put her in bed for her nap 15min earlier and she had no problem settling.  I'm still going to let her sleep until 3pm (so she will get 15min more sleep for her nap) and hope it helps her stay happy without causing too much bedtime trouble...

Claire - Do you still let DS nap as long as he wants on nap days?  I may give it a go, as long as DD still settles for bed ok...

Vicki - Happy Birthday Sam!  Hopefully he has a good sleep tonight :)

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #423 on: January 24, 2013, 08:09:02 am »
Yes, Claire, I have the same question: how long is the nap when he naps and how long are the nights on nn days?

As you have probably seen in another thread, we are having some behavioral problems and I think they are caused by sleep. The fact is I don't know if he naps at daycare and how long. I initially supposed that he does't nap there and so he's ot from too many nn days but today I'm not sure anymore. He usually says he sleeps there. Ok, I can't trust him completely (he could consider sleeping closing his eyes for  5 mins) but yesterday he said he didn't sleep. Then he had a tantrum with dh at the swimming pool (impossible to do eb on Wednesday because he has swimming lessons), but when he came home he was very good.
And this morning we had to wake him up after 11 h sleeping and he was good as gold. The other mornings (when he said he has napped the day before) he woke by his own at 10.15-10.30 h night and he was very crancky. So I am starting to think that he actually sleeps too much at daycare (at home naps are down to 45 mins and it is the right lenght apparently) and too much sleep shortens the nights and he becomes ot...
Don't know, this evening I'll ask for a chat at daycare and will ask what they have to say about.

Happy birthday Sam!!
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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #424 on: January 24, 2013, 12:56:01 pm »
Tinkerbell - on nap days i get him down at around 1.30pm (if he got up at 7) & prob nearer 2pm if he gets up 7.30-8. If hes had 3 no nap days in a row & gets up at 9am on day 4, id still prob try him for a nap at 2pm as he will be tired enough to take it. Whatever time he goes down, i will wake him by 4pm if he's not woken himself. These days he's averaging 2hr naps & waking naturally most of the time. Then he's into bed at 7.50pm & usually asleep by 8. I certainly dont think wed have such easy bedtimes if he was napping that every single day though. 

Wrt your dd's current routine, tbh if shes napping every day, & gets up at 8am, i'm not surprised her bt is stretching towards 9 - thats a 13hr day & 11hrs of nightsleep which is pretty much the norm at this age i thunk? Seem to think its roughly what vicky's Sam was doing for ages too? Another option if you want an earlier bt wld be to gradually wake her earlier in the mornings so as to shift naptime & therefore bedtime earlier too? Tbh tho if you are already waking her at 8am i'd leave her to it, & try offering nap every few days based on behaviour instead. She may just surprise u!

Things may be about to change here now he's in a bbb.  The last 2 days hes woken pre 7am, we've not had that in a few months. If he continues waking earlier we will end up doing naps every day again, which on the one hand is ok, but on the other i expect it would lead to similar issues to those you are having ie late bt's. & since we've been coping quite nicely dropping the nap days naturally,  it feels like a step backwards yk?

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #425 on: January 24, 2013, 16:01:04 pm »
i'm not surprised her bt is stretching towards 9 

Yeah, when I first started with that schedule she was happily settling within 20-30min at bed, and now it's starting to drag...so I know she needs a bit of a change, but she's crazy cranky if I cut her nap any shorter :(

So today I let DD sleep and we'll see how the day goes...She slept until 8:45am after falling asleep around 8:40pm last night so it's like she needs more A before bed to settle, but the amount of A she needs before bed also makes her need a long sleep at night...does that even make sense ???  Going to try for a nap around 2pm today, not expecting her to take it though, lol :)

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #426 on: January 24, 2013, 17:10:10 pm »
it's like she needs more A before bed to settle, but the amount of A she needs before bed also makes her need a long sleep at night...does that even make sense ???  Going to try for a nap around 2pm today, not expecting her to take it though, lol :)
Yes, I get that with L if I let her nap too long. Fine if I can let her lie in the next day but not so good if we have to get up for work!
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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #427 on: January 24, 2013, 18:01:32 pm »
Great lie in! Hopefully she will feel more refreshed 2day for that. Tbh if shes napped for the last few days & isnt melting down through ot, with that wu id skip the nap & do ebt instead, prob 7-7.15pm latest. Did she take the nap or not?

Oliver took almost 2.5hr nap today & i had to wake him from that  :o pleased as his mood is soooo much better for it but fx'd i don't regret it come bedtime!

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #428 on: January 24, 2013, 19:15:32 pm »
So, today F napped at daycare. Don't know how long but he probably felt asleep quickly after pd, so I guess a long nap. His mood this afternoon is fantastic. Let's see what tonight brings...
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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #429 on: January 24, 2013, 19:24:38 pm »
She's in bed for nap now, not sure if she's sleeping...She got really cranky before nap, and seemed to want to go to sleep, but I heard her chatting a bit so we will see.  Hopefully if she doesn't nap she just needs a little bit of time alone to get rid of the crankies :)

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #430 on: January 25, 2013, 08:31:43 am »
Ladies we're on day 7 of no nap today, almost a week  :o So Sam turned 3 and BAM!  ::)

Trying to enforce naps is creating tantrums so I have had no choice but to follow his lead. Fortunately he is doing well at the moment. 10.5/11 hour days depending on WU and we've had anything from 12 to 13.5 hour nights. I hope he's self regulating. Please X your finger's for us that there is no melt down coming.

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #431 on: January 25, 2013, 13:54:34 pm »
Fingers crossed for you Vicki!

As expected DD didn't nap yesterday, BUT she handled it really well!  She went in for nap time all cranky at mommy and had some alone time, then came out happy as could be :)  I guess she just needed the time to herself to recharge!  Bedtime was 7pm last night (10hr15min after wake up)...it's almost 9am and she's still asleep!  Fighting every urge I have to go wake her up...I feel like allowing her to drop the nap is the best thing for her right now, and waking her to force a nap worked for awhile because she was happy and settling for bed well, but now that it's not working I just have to let her do her thing...So hard to give up control though!

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #432 on: January 25, 2013, 15:04:36 pm »
Yay vicki glad sam is coping well with it. Do u think this is 'the end'?

Tinkerbell - yay fab night! What time did she get up in the end? When o sleeps in i wake at 9am but tbh only bc a) we usually have something on & b) i'm a bit scared to let him go later!

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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #433 on: January 25, 2013, 15:26:29 pm »
Mmmm, so now I think I know what's going on: the teachers said that, apart from Wednesday (when F told me he didn't sleep), F is sleeping well at daycare. That to me means that he's probably sleeping too much: nap time is 2 pm - 3.45 pm, so even if he goes to sleep at 2.15-2.30 he still sleeps 1.15-1.30 h that now is too much...
After a nn day on Wednesday followed by a 11 h night (and good behavior in the morning) and a nap day yesterday followed by a 10.15-10.30 h night (and again cranky in the morning), I really think that he would need a shorter nap. Unfortunately there's not much I can do :( They have fixed times for nap time, and they won't wake a kid if he sleeps in that time.
I have to come down with a plan. I will give myself another week to be sure this crankiness is not a phase due to cognitive growth, and then I will think what to do. I am starting to think I have to implement nn at least one of the weekend days...
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Re: Support for dropping the nap part 8....
« Reply #434 on: January 25, 2013, 15:59:20 pm »
Fingers crossed for you Vicki! Hope all goes well.

I am back to waking M at 7am every day. It gets too confusing if I let him sleep in as most days he doesnt nap but on the rare occasion he does it makes BT too late or causes nw's. So I am aiming for an 11 hour day from 7-6 with a later bt of 7 if he does happen to nap.