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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2016, 01:38:51 am »
Trimbler's busy for a few days so I'm here to help :)
Could the 10 to 12 nap be anything to do with it?
Do you think it's too long?
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2016, 05:20:28 am »
It's what he usually naturally sleeps, and I need it really to get me to the next nap time after school run. I just read that long morning naps can cause problems, although it's always at least 3hrs from wake up so kind of thought that would be OK?

Yesterday we were out all day and so he only had 2 30 min naps and a 50 min nap. Then last night he slept until 5.30am before waking. Although he hasn't managed to go back to sleep. So that was  better night on less day sleep. Is that something I need to consider?
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2016, 20:00:25 pm »
Oh dear just wrote a long reply and deleted it - I'd confused myself! (((Hugs))) it can be so frustrating, can't it? Did he have his usual 7om BT last night? I do wonder whether he kind of crashed out and did a slightly short OT night - I'm guessing he had around 12.5h total sleep? I still suspect he needs around 14.5h, just based on those days with the good nights. Would you mind posting the last few days, I know you've been through them all already but I'm struggling to match it all up together so if you could lay it out as before then perhaps it'll make something a bit clearer? I do wonder whether, that night when he had the 1.5h waking, he'd been a little more refreshed after his slightly better night previously, and that's why he only napped 1.5h in the morning, but then had around the same in the afternoon which ended up giving him a bit too much daytime sleep, given that he'd had a slightly better night?? Perhaps it might be worth starting to push that first A time a little now? The trouble with long morning naps is when they use them to catch up on sleep from a poor night, but as I think Lily already said, if the A time is long enough then that shouldn't happen. But I'm thinking, if he does better on a long morning nap, then as you head towards the 2-1 (a long process, as you probably remember from ds1!), you'll be wanting to push that first A more than the others. Pushing that A out would then help with getting to the second nap after the school run (provided of course that he still does a long first nap), and he wouldn't need a long A to BT. Maybe he's already telling you he wants a longer first A, with those EWs? What do you think? A new direction, perhaps?



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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2016, 20:10:42 pm »
Funny you should say that as I added 15 mins to his A time this morning! We got a 30min otot wake up but managed to resettle him so think I will stick with it for a few days. I will post all the logs that I have, it's pretty long!

25th march
Wu?
S 10 to 11.30
S 1 to 1.30 in car
S 4 to 5.15 woke him up. Put down at 3.
Bt 7
Wu 4am - 4.45
Wu 6.30

26th march
Wu 6.30 porridge
S 10 to 12
S 3.40 to 4.40 woke him up. Put down at 3
Bt 7
Wu 3.45 - ?
Wu 6 to 6.45
Wu 7.30

28th
Wu 7.20 porridge
S 10.15 to 10.55
S 2 to 4
Bt 7 some ot noises. Possibly likes shorter A to bed?
Wu 1.30 - 2.30
Wu 5.50 I think

29th
Wu 5.50
S 10 to 11.10 alarm woke him up
S 2 to 3.10 woke for school run
S 5.15 to 5.45 thought I'd try a cn and see
Bt 7.15 making  ot noises early evening
Slept through to 6.30 then dozed on and off til 7!!

30th
Wu 6.30/7
S 10 to 12
S 3.40 to 4.20 (put down at 3.30 due to school run)
Bt 6.40
Slept through
Wu 6.45

31st
Wu 6.45
S 10 to 11.30
S 2.35 to 3.20
S put down at 4.50 but didn't sleep
Bt 6.50
Wu 3.30 on and off for the rest of the night

1st
Got him up at 6.45
S 10 to 12
S 3.25/3.30 to 4.45 i woke him
Bt 7.15 ish
Wu 2.30 to 3
Wu 5.50 on and off til 7.05

2nd
Wu 7.05
S 10 to 11.30
S 2. 40 to 4
Bt 7
Wu 4.45 poo then cried when put back, dummy, slept til 7.15

3rd
Wu 7.15
S 10.15 to 12.15
S 3.15 to 3.45 (out)
Bt 7
Wu 3 to 4.15
Wu 6
Wu 7

4th
Wu 7
S 10 to 10.45
S 1.30 to 2
S 4.20 to 5.10
Bt 7
Wu 5.30 on and off til 7. 15

5th
Wu 7.15
S 10. 25 to 12.20
S 3.35 to 4.12
Bt 6.40

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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2016, 20:17:17 pm »
I tried to work out some patterns and it seems he has his best nights with 3hr or slightly less A time,  9 to 10 hour Atime and around 2hr30 A time to bed. Do you see the same? This is probably a really stupid question but when  you are working out total sleep in 24 hours do you count the night before the day or the night after? Hope that makes sense. And I never know what to count as his total night sleep due to his wakings and his dozing on and off in the early morning.
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2016, 02:24:20 am »
It may just be a matter of perspective but reading through that I'd say that things don't look too bad. It's quite similar to what my DS did at that age (usually one 30-60 min NW - I didn't stay with him the whole time, I just fed and left him chatting -  and a shorter NW or unsettled towards morning). As he got older, he consistently only woke once and then started STTN most nights on his own.
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2016, 14:44:46 pm »
We had a sttn!  After this day
5th
Wu 7.15
S 10. 25 to 12.20
S 3.35 to 4.12
Bt 6.50

I tried to push for 3hr15 first A again this morning and got a 1hr30 nap instead of 2hr. He did the same last time he had a good night but that was on 3hr A.  Then I did 3hr15 for the 2nd A  which has been going well, but today he took 35 min to go to sleep and it was a real struggle. Is that because he had 1hr30 not 2hr do you think? Gutted I couldn't replicate yesterday but will still do my best to get the total A and S times for the day right and a shorter A to bed.
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2016, 18:35:17 pm »
Yay :D hope you managed to sttn too ;) So you know he can do it, right, hopefully you'll just see more and more of those sorts of nights, as his needs change less rapidly and you catch up with what they are. Excepting the inevitable illness/teething etc... It does feel to me that you're getting a clearer picture of what he needs now. Some LOs don't seem to mind whether they have 1.5h or a 2h nap, they need the same A afterwards, but mine would definitely notice the difference and would need the A reduced after a shorter nap. You could try holding that first nap at around the same time for the next few days, see what happens. When did he actually wake this morning? Are you trying to push WU to 7:15am now or was that just yesterday?



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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2016, 18:46:21 pm »
That was just yesterday. I haven't pushed to 7.15 really yet as it's pretty hard and also on a 3hr15 first A,  2 hour nap, 3hr15 2nd A, gets me to 3.30pm for a nap after school run so I haven't really needed to push to 7.15 yet.
Today he woke at 6.30 and was quiet on and off til 6.50 when he started to cry so I got him up as he had done so well. Actually I always call it a 3hr or 3hr15 first A but really it was more of a set nap at 10am which I am now trying  at 10.15. I just got frustrated trying to calculate A time with all the on off dozing before 7am. The set nap at 10 was working great though. Hopefully 10.15am will start to work well soon.
My new worry is that I will loose the 2hr morning nap if nights get better, then I am back to square one with naps not fitting in with the school run. 1hr30 nap doesn't get me there! Especially if he needs his A reduced after it. Arhhh if it's not 1 thing it's another! Anyway hopefully I'm worrying prematurely and it won't happen.
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #54 on: April 07, 2016, 10:40:13 am »
Sttn til 6.15 which was great, but then 1hr30 morning nap again! Arhhh that sets me back so far when we were so close to getting the naps right for school run, which starts the week after next.
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #55 on: April 07, 2016, 18:47:08 pm »
We did set morning naps too, especially with DD due to school run for DS, she couldn't go down any earlier even if we'd wanted to. Great to hear about another sttn :D Yk, I really think you're getting there with knowing what to aim for ideally. Interesting that you'd suspected the better nights might result in shorter morning naps, and then that happened today - annoying, yes, but at least not unexpected, you can reason it out. Was he doing the chatting thing between 6:15-7am this morning too? Next time that happens, perhaps you could push that morning nap a little later, in the hopes of keeping it long?



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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #56 on: April 07, 2016, 19:01:14 pm »
He was chatting and banging his bars until 6.45 when he started crying on and off so I had to get him up at 6.50. Because of that I chickened out of pitta him down at 10. 15 and stuck with 10am, but then got the 1hr30 nap. Tomorrow I will go for 10.15 and be brave!
Thanks for your reassuring words.
Fingers crossed again for tonight!
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2016, 18:56:06 pm »
Dare I ask how it's going? :-*



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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2016, 19:31:21 pm »
Lol! Not great! So we had those 2 sttn in a row, I have been continuing to try and give him the right total A and S times as well as a last A that suits him based on his best nights recently but it hasn't made a difference. He wakes anywhere between 3 and 4.30 for up to 1hr30 and then usually awake for the day about 6ish, although I don't get him up til at least 6.45.  I now seem to have lost the 2 hour morning nap as well which does not work for us with the school run next week. I am considering changing it all up and doing  a shorter morning nap and  longer lunch time nap. However I am scared of the long A to Bed, although I know it works for many.
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Re: Happy Night wakings
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2016, 02:52:04 am »
The long A to bed worked for us.
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