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« Reply #615 on: December 28, 2005, 04:09:24 am »
Laura, are you sure you have the right thread?  The 2004 club has way more replies.  And 7500 is just the views on this thread.  We've started a new thread a few times now, this one is only a couple months old.  Honestly, it doesn't matter to me since the notices take me right to the newest message.

Heather, like you said, no two babies are alike when it comes to teeth.  But there are similar patterns that many take such as the order they get them in, when they get them, how many at a time, etc.  Dr Sears talks about the rule of 4, 4 teeth every 4 months and they come in pairs.  Most get bottom 2 first, then top two, then the 2 outers, and so on.  But I know plenty that have gotten a single top tooth first, followed by a bottom!  :lol:  Asher got his bottom two first, then 2 months later he cut 6 teeth in one month!  Though I saw the top two long coming, he had all four on the bottom completely in before those top two broke through the gums.  I've also heard teeth are largely hereditary.  I got my teeth early and had a full set by time I was 1 so I'm not surprised at Asher's full mouth!
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« Reply #616 on: December 28, 2005, 04:21:55 am »
Thanks for the suggestions ladies!  So far I have picked up a few breastfeeding type items, and some different lotions.  I want to add some bath products, cause I know I was living in the bathtub for the first couple of months it seemed.  It just felt really good to my sore body, and I got about 15 to 30 minutes peace when I got to take a bath!   :lol:

Heather - you're not the only one... Ethan only has his two bottom teeth still!  He has "seemed" to be teething for a while now, he drools, chomps on his fingers ALL the time, etc., but I still don't see anything.  And this has been going on for probably 3 weeks or more.  I just give up trying to figure it out, I assume he'll get them all eventually!   :roll:



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« Reply #617 on: December 28, 2005, 09:01:08 am »
HI all

I am so glad everyone seems to have had a pretty good Christmas holiday (and Julie nice to see someone else celebrating both holidays although as it does not get dark here until well after girls bedtime alex only lights her toy menorah  :lol:  and i do candles later)

i am not having the best holiday so hope it is ok to vent a little (please skip to the end if you want - i will not be offended) ... it is making me a little sad reading lots of posts on the site (not just here) and seeing all these great photos - they SOOO don't reflect our holidays and somehow this year itis hitting me more than ever before.

we are always alone on the holidays because amazingly in all these years of having visitors no one has ever stumped up the extra cash and come during Xmas...even with the glorious sunny beach to tempt them. anyway - we always spend Xmas day at our best friends' place - the Dh and my Dh have worked together in 4 countries and he was the best man at our wedding...have been friends for 10 years. this is the first year they don't have family visiting from the Uk and invited along another couple (the guy works with both Dh's) who have no children. this woman drove me nuts - so loud and "full-on"  and what bugged me the most was i felt replaced by this couple. they were playing with our friends' 3 boys, exchanging gifts, making themselves at home etc like they were the BF and we were the outsiders  :evil:  it made me so sad.

then my BF's 3 1/2yr old has a hacking cough all over the house and within a few hours of getting there i started to suffer and my glands started swelling etc. by nightime i was miserable and by morning alex and i both had developed this horrible cough (and for me it has turned intop green crud being coughed up) we spent this morning at the Dr office - yipee! thanks for the Xmas pressie! great to be ill in the stinking humidity and heat!

dinner got delayed and we kept the girls "up" and were spending the night so had a bedroom set up for them... olivia finally had to be put down during dinner (no one waited for our return  :evil: ) so Dh and i ended up eating with only the annoying chick while others got dessert ready. relaxed...
after all kids finally in bed (9-9:30pm  :shock: ) i finally got a chance to unwind with a drink and we hung out playing games, eating and drinking. my friend and I (knowing we woudl be the ones to deal with all5 children if required) were getting ready for bed around 12 or so. the "couple" were like - it's not even 2am yet and i half laughed about there being 5 kids here who wake anywhere from 6am onwards...anyway - they kept blaring music and shouting across rooms etc and basdically kept me awake until almost 2am and then friend's sick one woke coughing from 5am so i was EXHAUSTED (for 2 days mind you). i was crying myself to sleep at 2am after having called a cab company to be told the average wait was 1-2hrs  :shock:  (i was going to leave Dh with the kids to make his own way home next day  :lol: ) How can people without kids be that insensitive to the rest of the world I actually laughed when the little boy was coughing all morning as they were trying to have a late sleep in while all the kids were up and playing X Box, having breakfast and running around (sweet revenge)

last whinge - the friends got Dh and me a subscription to a magazine we don't even read while they got "the couple" each a game and a book selected with their interests in mind - HAVE WE BEEN REPLACED? i felt like i was in a parallel universe.

i understand if you skipped all that cr!p i think i just needed somewhere safe to vent as Dh thinks i was overreacting and should have just stayed up and had fun with them. meanwhile olivia is teething (still not a single tooth though) and going through major sep. anxiety and the temp here is mid 30s C/ 90sF so her eating and napping is horribel as it is so uncomfortable!


i am done! will be back later happier and more refreshed (i hope)

Love to you all!!  :D
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« Reply #618 on: December 28, 2005, 09:15:38 am »
We are about to go off to ILs now so I won't log on for maybe a day or two (I think).

Debra - I just wanted to send you some big hugs.  You poor thing.  I don't think you over-reacted at all.  I would have been just the same.  I wish we all lived closer then we could all help each other out at times like this. 

Having said I thought Daniel was teething he didn't wake up once last night and then slept in til 7.30 :D  :shock: Who knows whether he has teeth coming or not.  His gums are definitely swollen and puffy but they seem to have been like that for months!  Maybe they'll just all appear all of a sudden one day (after no night wakings or day tantrums :wink: )  Yeah, yeah I wish.

Take care everyone.

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« Reply #619 on: December 28, 2005, 16:01:34 pm »
Oh Debra! I did read your whole post. I actually like it when people vent around here. It makes me realize that I am not insane for the things that I do - everyone else does them too! I know where you're coming from, sort of. My family does live around here so that makes it easier. BUT, we are the only ones with a child in all of my sisters/cousins. So, when we were all playing games Christmas evening they were SO loud! You would think they would be a little more sensitive. But, no. Grrr....

Heather - Leah never did do the stage three foods. She would gag also. Have you tried finer foods? Does she gag on those? Leah LOVES the peach/pear chunks that come in those little containers. Mac and cheese is also a new favorite!  :wink:
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« Reply #620 on: December 28, 2005, 16:21:59 pm »
Deb - I pm'd you.
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« Reply #621 on: December 28, 2005, 16:28:32 pm »
I try pieces of what I'm eating at every lunch and dinner.  Yesterday, I had mac and cheese, and I'd slip a piece in with her veggie puree.  She seemed to notice, but didn't gag.  So this is a major improvement.  I'm having more today (still finishing leftovers), so I'll try again.  Am I rushing her to want her off jarred foods at least by next summer?  I'm not trying to do it now, but I want her to have a try at things so it won't be so difficult the older she gets.  She won't even eat a piece of cheese or mashed potatoes.  Granted, jarred foods are so much easier-little to think about and nothing to prepare.  I guess I just get myself worked up too much.

So, what's going to happen to our thread?  I see now that the site admin. did seem to get the # of visits and posts mixed up, but I'm sure our group could produce 7500 replies  :D .
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« Reply #622 on: December 28, 2005, 21:51:02 pm »
Just a quick hello to let you know that we've survived christmas!  Hoping to get a chance to read tonight:)

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« Reply #623 on: December 28, 2005, 22:02:26 pm »
Hi everyone!

It's been nice to catch up on everyone's good and not so good Christmas'.  It was bittersweet for us.

I've been skimming, but did read your whole post Deb. :wink:

Tammy-  SOCKS SOCKS AND MORE SOCKS :D .  Drinks- like juice, caffiene free sodas (the nurses were always so slow at bringing drinks for me).  Also- with the breast feeding- some of the cold/hot packs from Gerber were awesome, and the nipple cream other people mentioned.  Does she have a boppy? If not that might be really great if you want to indulge her...esp with the C-section, I've heard traditional positions are painful and the pillow really helps.

Deb- people are very inconsiderate.  I consider it to be a result of "modern" life and the lack of obligations people in general feel towards others.  That being said I am also very sensitive myself.  I have this problem with others and their unawareness.  For example my SIL is here with her son this whole week.  It's good to see them but at the same time VERY bad timing.  When she called to say she was coming she didn't ask, as I would have "is this a good time for a visit" instead she called to ask if she could stop by to use my kitchen so she didn't have to pay to eat out all the time. :roll:  :x   Some days I pray to be less aware, but I am cursed.

Our Christmas- Watch out- it's long...soul searching....My parents came down to Boulder for Christmas.  I didn't really want to have it here as we are still unpacking to say the least!  I also didn't want to make all the food.  But when I approached my mom about having it at her place she didn't even want a tree, she didn't want to cook, etc. For all the "special moments" she made for me and my bro as a kid she doesn't have any interest in making things special for her first grand daughter.  I kind of realized it is now up to me to create traditions for my family if I want them.  I want to have things that we do every year and places and people we see every year.  I want those "special meals" that are only cooked on occassion.  I want Eirwen to know that I have taken the time to create these memories for her.  When things go bad in families sometimes it is only those moments that you have, and when you are a child you are unware (thankfully) of the larger family dynamics.  I am just very frustrated.  The help I was expecting here, or even the interest from my mother esp in Eirwen, is not what I expected.  In some ways I still feel like I live in MA, far away from them.  Perhaps it is the endless result of my childhood that we all cannot forgot (I left home very young at 16).  But I have put many things behind me and I am a believer in second chances.  I do not know how to make my parents feel less guilty.  It is just hard...Basically I love my daughter so much, she is magic, her Christmas was magic.  It is happy for me and Everard that she had her first Christmas with yummy food, a big tree and bunches of presents.  I guess it is something I am realizing having my first baby...I do things now, even if I don't want to, to create realities for her rather than myself.  It is amazing to be that "unselfish" but it is so important for me.   :?: How do you plan, if you need to, to protect your baby from family drama??  I also invited my Aunt and Uncle who hadn't seen my parents in 2 years because of stupid crap...it is a strange position that we are all in...yikes...

Eirwen is doing well.  She eats everything!!!  I ordered chicken tacos the other night at Chili's and she started just eating the rice and beans off my plate.  I didn't even offer it. She didn't even grab the plate, just started eating the food!  So cute!  She didn't really get the whole presents thing and a couple of the toys people got her scare dh and me so we put them away, but she was left with a bunch of really cool stuff!!  Including a monster sized bath ducky!!  Her new favorite game is to "crawl" on the floor and when she gets far enough of way from me I say "I'm going to get you" and I start to chase her and she giggles and wiggles and crawls even faster away from me until I smother her with kisses!  So much fun!
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« Reply #624 on: December 28, 2005, 22:12:35 pm »
whew!  finally have some time to check in on this thread!   :D

overall, christmas went really well.  only thing i can complain about is ILs (doesn't everyone?   :wink: )  they stay with us, even though they don't like sleeping on our couches.  whatever.  they also didn't do much to help prepare for... well, anything.  my parents know better - they get a hotel room, and my sister & BIL are local. 

christmas eve was lots of fun.  we all went to sea world for the day.  luke was a star - i was so proud of him!  he had a normal morning nap, but not so good in the afternoon and he was fine!  made it through church that night too. 

both kids ended up going down late - 9:30pm - so we figured that christmas day would start a little later.  figured the kids would be up around 8am, so told my parents to come on over around 9am.  however, ILs woke at 6:30 - and managed to wake everyone else in the house before 7am!!! :twisted:  :twisted:  yeah, try & keep the 2.5 year old away from the presents for a few hours.  oh well, it is their last christmas in FL; they are moving to tennessee next year so they won't be here. 

other than that, we had a fantastic time.  i'm attaching a couple shots of luke that i thought were adorable.
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« Reply #625 on: December 28, 2005, 22:24:02 pm »
Tammy - a big plastic jug w/ a straw for water.  i was always sooo thirsty when i was bf.  also, i got hooked on a nipple cream from mother love.  i could only get it online (motherlove.com).  it is really expensive, but it was the one thing i indulged in.  also, reading material - i did so much reading while bf - even with #2.  at the very least, trashy magazines (or something that will appeal to her)

Deb - no, i don't think you were overreacting either.  it stinks to be sick, especially on a holiday.  though i would venture to guess that you have not been replaced??  i've noticed that it's always weird when friends from different circles get together; it's like people are afraid to cross over, so to speak.  at least, i know that's how i am, but i am also very anti-social and afraid of rejection.   :wink:

Branwen - teared up at your post.  i agree with what you said about creating your own traditions - i am loving what we've been trying to do with our kids too.  as for the family drama... i dunno.  now that i'm older i realize how much my mom did not get along with her MIL (my grandma), but i was pretty clueless until close to the end. 

Heather - luke seems to go back & forth between purees & finger foods.  seems like one day he wants all finger foods; the next only purees.   :roll:  i don't get it either.   and then there are days when i can only get veggies into him by putting a piece of cereal at the tip of the spoon!

Hazel - those pics of Daniel are sooo cute!  i just want to grab his cheeks everytime!  good luke at your ILs

and i love reading about what your lo's are up to - just cracks me up!  i can hardly believe that they are almost a YEAR old!  where did the time go?  though one thing i'm very happy about - i think i just made my last formula purchase yesterday.  the countdown is on!!!!!   :lol:
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« Reply #626 on: December 28, 2005, 23:51:46 pm »
Well after 13 hours of night sleep and two good naps yesterday, I fully expected Asher to wake at the crack of dawn this morning, but no!  He slept in, 11.5 hours!  Woot woot!  DH even forgot to give him teething tablets before bed but I never heard a peep out of him ALL night (and started to fear the worst until I heard the bed rustle in the monitor  :oops: ).  Don't know what it is but I hope it lasts!!   :D   Do they go through an 11 month GS?

 :?:  Did anyone start the early potty-training or still considering it?  We're still deciding if we want to start at 12 months.

Deb, big hugs to you!  My brother runs into the same problem with family since they're the only ones in CA.  They want to stay home, but no one comes to them (guess everyone else wants to be home for Christmas too?).  So they end up traveling nearly every Christmas.  I feel so bad for them, but it seems like one of those sad realities of life.  We lived in CA for 2 years and then moved back here.  I hated the idea of never being at home for Christmas, but didn't want to be away from my family either.  Frustrating situation!
And I must admit, I was one of those childless, obnoxious, clueless people a year ago!   :oops:  Oh, I THOUGHT I knew about child-rearing and what-not.  I THOUGHT I was very sensitive to my parent friends and families' needs, but I literally had NO CLUE AT ALL!  :lol:  I was one of those annoying people who look at your screaming child in the restarant and ponder to myself, "I'll never let my child behave like that."  I tried to be quiet when visiting their houses, but alas, I constantly forgot about "the baby is sleeping."  I also thought to myself all the while, "I thought you shouldn't make the house quiet, they'll learn to sleep through it."  I also always wondered why my best friends always declined going out to a restaurant with us even though we said they could bring the kids.  I always wondered why they seemed to fall asleep at 9 pm like clockwork.  Oh, the things I did and thought!  :lol:   I will never ever question another parents' kids out in public.  After my sleep-sensitive DS, I will never balk at walking tiptoe around another's sleeping baby!  I am a reformed clueless childless person!  And I don't know what happens to make old people forget all these things either.  My parents and grandparents are just as terrible as a childless person these days!  I vow I will never forget!  :lol:  :lol:
Like Branwen said, I also think I'm a bit on the sensitive side when it comes to friends.  I would feel a bit replaced as well.  Do you feel comfortable enough with your BF that you can sit and have a heart to heart to clear the air?  As a mother, I'm shocked that she didn't warn you about her DS's cough, but maybe she thought it was the tail end of a cold and he was already past the 5 day contageous period?  Honestly, I don't think anything has an incubation period that short.  I believe the shortest I've heard about is 24-48 hours.  So it may just be a coincidence?  Hope you're all feeling better quickly though!!

Branwen, my family belongs on Jerry Springer.  After having no relationship with my mom for 7 years, we finally started making up a few months before I became PG.  Things have greatly improved since.  We have all finally figured out how to love them past the drama.  When it starts (my mom is a drama queen at heart and LOVES to start it up), I quickly shut it down by either changing subjects, walking away, hanging up, or just flat out telling whoever "let's not go there."  I hope to keep Asher out of the way of it and not to discuss it with him.  Children have enough to deal with without having the burden of adult relationship trouble in their lives.  If he wants to get in the middle of it when he's all grown up, fine.  But in the meantime, we'll do our best to teach him that everyone's not perfect, even parents, and we love them despite their actions. 
I can sympathize with you wanting your mom to get more involved in the holiday festivities.  It seems like all the older folks around here have decided to opt out as well.  It's as if they've "paid their dues" and now it's the "kids'" turns to host, cook, etc.  I guess that comes with age?  We've happily taken over though, to minimize the family drama that ensued when our parents were all responsbile for the holidays and to start new (and better!) traditions.  And without knowing the background of your mom, I'm sensing hesitation on her part regarding Eirwen.  Perhaps, since the relationship is still healing (?), she wants to make sure she doesn't step on any toes.  And since you lived so far away before, perhaps she felt disconnected, as you said, and she needs a bit to get to know Eirwen and find her new place in your lives now that you're closer.  I must admit, my parents are much closer and more comfortable with Asher that they are with my brother's DDs, though they wish it wasn't that way.  It's just the proximity issue since he's in a different state.  They see the girls 3x a year and they see Asher every two weeks!  And my brother doesn't even have Drop Shots!   :wink:

Whew!  I talk too much!   :oops:  :lol:
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« Reply #627 on: December 29, 2005, 01:23:32 am »
3 things I'm thankful for today:
 :arrow: Kelsey ate mac and cheese and loved it.  She smacked her lips and clapped.   :D
 :arrow: I bought a new pair of jeans a size smaller!!!    :D
 :arrow: AND KELSEY'S ECHO WAS NORMAL!!!!   :D  :D  :D


Edited to add:
Julie, I'm going to introduce the potty after her 1st birthday.  I just want her to see and us talk about it for awhile.  Then, I hope to actually get into PT this summer, unless she takes a keen interest sooner.  What are your plans, and everyone else?
Jaime-can you be a support person for dropping the formula?   :oops:
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« Reply #628 on: December 29, 2005, 02:54:23 am »
Heather, that's great!  I'm sure it's a huge relief.
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« Reply #629 on: December 29, 2005, 03:04:40 am »
YAY for Kelsey!!! YAY!!!
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