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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2010, 02:44:40 am »
Well we are all a mess over here.  Today ended up with a long AM/short PM except that the PM was actually 1 hr 10 mins because I need him caught up on sleep.  But that meant his nap ended near to 5 p.m. (he also fought it for 30 mins to begin with lol)  It's been soooo long since he has done any kind of nap after 4 p.m.  He was still tired for bedtime (or seemed to be) so was asleep by 7:20.  I don't know what to expect tonight.  All I know is that it's now 3 weeks to daycare and I am feeling quite scared that we will just be coming out of this illness/moving house/OT spiral only to send him back into an OT mess with 1 nap at daycare. 

I am convinced that tired cues are a total scam these days.  Can't be relied on around here.  What I think is tired ends up with him babbling for an hour in his crib.

GM1 - Finn is going up to 3 hours+ on a 20 min nap and is a few months behind Jesse.  So I think you need more A time in there probably.  But you will probably need an earlier bedtime until that nap can be ironed out.  I think his long A at end up day might cause some OT.

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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2010, 02:57:50 am »
I agree Wendy, tired cues are so unreliable these days, we had Caleb up at 7.30am this morning, then he fell asleep on the way to church so was asleep at 10.10 (so not even three hours A time, DH said at home he was acting so tired, making blankets on the floor and pretending to go to sleep!)and we woke him at 10.30. we went out afterwards and on the way home it had been three hours since his little catnap in teh car (so it was 1.30pm) so he fell asleep and we just transferred him into bed now... lets see how long he sleeps for





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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2010, 03:37:27 am »
Gavinsmum1, it looks to me like you need an increase in A time...and then before you know, there won't be anytime left in the day to increase, so you'll be forced to go to one nap like i did. lol!! But your day looks alot like what we've been having lately...the 3 hour thing(after the am short nap) worked for awhile, but lately he was fighting that one too and wanting a longer second A.
  I forget, have you ever tried the one nap day yet? If he happens to wake a bit later in the morning, maybe you could give it a try?

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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2010, 10:04:24 am »
I really hate this. I feel like I can't win!!  With shorter A to bed (4 hrs) we're getting a brief NW for motrin or tylenol but our nights are maybe 10.5 to 11 hrs at most. Did 4.25 to bed last night and he mostly sttn but then is wide awake at 4....so 8.5 hrs  >:( >:( I tried giving him motrin and rocking but he is wide awake. Left him in bed and he's off and on crying and yelling.  WTF?! It's a lose lose.  One nap days I don't get anything longer than 1.5 hr naps, he wakes every 1-2 hrs at night so he's not restful!  2 nap days I get better naps but our night sleep isn't much better. Is this all due to his molars?


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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2010, 15:29:56 pm »
We had an awful night.  He went down at 7 and did not stir until 11.  Then he was up three times crying b/w 11-1.  I gave him some Motrin and he slept until 4:30 and was up crying again.  An hour later the same thing.  Then he was up for the day at 6:45.  Brutal.  I don't think ALL those NW could have been caused by OT, could they? 
Flightmommy, we just had a one nap day this week, actually because he woke late and then just wouldn't settle for his am nap.  I gave him lunch and then tried to put him down again, but he wouldn't settle for another 45 min.  So after waking at 7, he didn't go down for nap until 12:45!!!!  Of course he was OT and napped for 30 minutes and woke hearing his brother hacking away in his room.  So that day was a total bust.  He wouldn't go down for the rest of the day.  He's had some major bowel movement issues which keep destroying his pm naps.  I'm not sure how to prevent that as we've already tried feeding earlier, etc to try to encourage a movement earlier. 

Thanks ladies for advising on the A time.  I was sure that after a short snooze of 20 minutes he would need only a short A time, but apparently I was wrong.  Today I'll still try the 20 minutes, but I'm watching for signs that he's tired this morning after a terrible night.  I still think he's got an ear infection or he's teething big time (still only 3 teeth here!) so it's touch and go what his A times will be like.

It's really too bad that we don't all live closer so we can sit in a circle with a large mug of coffee and just rant to each other about our crazy babies. 


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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2010, 20:06:32 pm »
I just need to vent because I can't post anything, I don't know where to start.
I AM SO FRUSTRATED these days.  How can naps be so consuming????
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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2010, 21:36:35 pm »
nauvoo - i know what you mean, to be honest we have had all naps starting in the car this weekend, one by choice the other three by pure coincidence and timing, however its allowed him to have some decent naps and me a break, i feel a bit more ready to tackle these naps today, perhaps you could do the same thing??

GM1 - I agree, would love to sit with you all and chat about our crazy babies!!!





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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2010, 01:29:13 am »
Well, ladies, the OT monster is paying us a visit....after two amazing days of one nap, both days we got 2h45 naps, DS was impossible to put down tonight, which is quite rare for him.
  I just knew it was too good to be true, there was no way he was just going to quietly and easily transition into his one nap like that. Although, I have to say that his mood during the last 2 days has been phenomenal!! Such a happy kid, no whining or fussing...I am sooo happy with this change, sure hope it last!!
  I'm having a hard time finding the right A time after such a long nap and I think i'm getting it wrong....yesterday, we did 5 hours A before bed and got a short 10.5h night, then today i was aiming for less, but we were out and tried to get home in time. Things got a little chaotic with rushing through dinner, bath, bottle, etc....so by the time I put him down, i don't know if he was just overwhelmed at the speed of things, or that he was truly OT...but he gave me a hard time. I didn't want to prolong his A time any longer, so i did some APOP rocking and put him down asleep.
  Just to be safe, i'm going back to 2 naps tomorrow, for a few days anyways.

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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2010, 02:47:40 am »
Flightmommy, I'm still so jealous of your 2 amazing days.  It's impossible not to be jealous with how things are going around here. 
I've always had a hard time comprehending two nap days mixed in with one nap days.  Does this mean you will shorten the first A time in order to get two naps in?  I'm just not getting how things are done and how to go about things the best way for my LO.  I really really really want to go cold turkey but we are having OT issues as well.  Flightmommy, would you mind posting your routine on for both 1 nap and 2 nap days?  I'd love to see how you've had success.

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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2010, 03:48:37 am »
Nauvoo06, to be honest, i haven't gotten a clue how i'm going to go about mixing up the one and two nap days...i'm really just flying by the seat of my pants here. And really, I don't know how or when Caleb became such a good napper...but i'm not convinced it's permanent, things ALWAYS change.
  When we do 2naps, this is what I aim for:
 7am (ish) wake
then about 4hours A time
11am-11:30am nap 1
then about 3 hours A time (this is where our day usually goes floppy, as i can seem to find the magic A time and so he'll play and play in his crib and usually will fall asleep somewhere in the 3h-3.5h Atime range)
2:30-3ish to 4-4:30ish nap 2
then bedtime is 3.5-4hours later
  One nap day:
7am wake (but i usually only try the one nap if his waking is later, like 7:30-8am)
then 4.5-5hours A time, do a light lunch in there and try to stretch him out as much as possible, but still not too much that he gets OT.....tricky game!! And the longer he stays up (without getting OT), the longer he naps....like today, we did around 4.5h Atime and he woke on his own after 2h45, but then yesterday we were closer to 5 hours A time and I had to wake him, as he was getting close to 3 hours day sleep.
And then bedtime has been around 5hours later, but i don't think this is the right A time for him...getting bedtime issues and not getting good night lengths. So, not really sure i'd call this a complete success, but thanks anyways!
  On a side note, I just had to go in to him (10pm)....during the last few days, he's been rolling over completely on his stomach and it must startled him cause he wakes crying, then goes onto his knees and then sits up screaming, in a panic. I just have to pick him up and he's fast asleep on my shoulder, i put him back down no problem. I know the rolling on the stomach is the exact cause, because i've seen him do it while watching the video monitor. I just find it strange that at almost 13 months, he doesn't know how to lie down again??? Has anyone else gone through this and what can I do to help him learn the process on his own....i think i'm just becoming a prop!

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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2010, 04:00:41 am »
have you tried leaving him to see if he can get back on his own? either that or instead of picking him up just roll him back/show him how to do it





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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2010, 22:26:04 pm »
Thanks Jo! He woke again at 4am because of the same reason, so I turned him over, gave him his blankie and told him to go to sleep. Of course, he screamed but had stopped by the time I was back in my bed. Then, he just layed there and played for almost 2 hours (!!!!) before falling asleep again. Sighhhh!!! Enough with the crib parties!!
   I woke him at 8am and did a 30 min am nap, then 3 hours A time and he did 1h10 min nap...i think UT. He clearly needs more A time, but where do I find it without doing a ridiculously long day. One nap days are good, but eventually we accumulate some OT.

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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2010, 22:42:10 pm »
flightmummy, have you tried shortening the am nap?  (Sorry if you haven't, can't remember) we've gotten down to doing 15 mins for the am nap!

Finally today we bit the bullet and did one nap again. This time, 2hr25 min nap! FINALLY! He was up for an hour last night and I was so fed up with him being UT. I'm not exactly sure when he woke, it was sometime close to 7 if not after, but by 7:10. He went down at 11:40 and woke at 2:05!  Now, trying to figure out bedtime! 6:30 or closer to 7??? hmmmmmm.


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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2010, 00:08:30 am »
well I was going to aim for a one nap today but he is SO tired at the 4 hour mark (sometimes even at the 3.5 hour mark too) i cant push him any further, so i guess hes just not ready still....





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Re: Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2010, 01:44:10 am »
well I've come to some realizations today.  We tried for one nap today because my LO had a great night of sleep and woke at 7am.  I waited until 4.5hours A time and put her down and she woke after 1hr20min (again) and was not tired to sleep anymore.  I'm not sure if she was UT or if it will take many months to get into a good nap when we switch to one nap.  It is all very daunting.  So, I gave her a catnap at 4:55pm for 15 mins (APOP).  She made it another 2.5hours and was out.  I'm hoping the night goes well, as well as the wake up. 
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