Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition? Thread #24

[katiebee18]

Thanks guys! DS will be 11 months on Monday. I think we are going to try the short AM nap, that was my intention yesterday but he didn't go for nap #1 until after 6h A time so I just let him sleep (1h20m). I know the A time is inconsistent but sometimes he will fall asleep while eating at like 3 hours A and other days he wants to go much longer. He took 2 1/2 hours to put to bed last night so I think that teething is playing a part in his poor sleep. Hopefully today is better and we are going to shoot for a short AM nap.

[mycatmonet]

hope it works for you katiebee!

[Aishi]

Good luck katiebee and mcm- you can only try. Fx'd for u both x

Thanks Katherine. Think she was ut yesterday. wu was 7.30 and did 5h a this am and then capped nap at 2.5h since it was 3pm. Will do 7.30 BT- it's only 4.5h a to BT but I was thinking since I capped nap it should be ok? Wdyt? xx

[jessmum46]

Good plan . Hope it works out for you Aishi - would kill to be in your nap situation right now!!!

[Aishi]

Lol I think I jinxed myself
Yesterday's way was

Wu 7.30
Nap 12.30-3 capped
BT 7.30
Nw 1.45
Nw 2.30

Woke crying gave meds first time but don't honk it was teeth. OT?

EW 6-6.30 mantra, chattered and ss
Wu 7.45 I woke

Dyt she was it from nap capping or later night? She seems to have funny night when BT is after 7 even on same a time?? Not sure what to do today...Thought I'd do 12.30 nap uncapped and BT dependant on nap so of she short naps I can do EBT and stick to 6/7 BT atleast and get back on track...

Wdyt?? Xx

[Straffles]

Just been catching up on eeryone's news.

Aishi, that's a really weird NW pattern. I usually think OT shows itself in early NWs and def before 12. Did she go back to sleep every time? That's what counts with NWs I always feel. We tend to get 2-3 NWs when OT, but he needs feeding 2 out of those 3, so it's quite different to you I think. Sounds like she's disrupted by the timing to BT, right? If you think she's sensitive to the later night, you'd be right to preserve an earlier BT if you can. I'm not sure how disruptive nap capping can be - depends on LO? I tend to let Benji sleep as long as he needs and go for the later BT but it's coming up to after 7.30 now too, so I'm in a similar boat. It's a difficult one.

Jessmum, I've been reading all your news and sorry - HUGS - to hear about these 1HR20 naps etc. It does sound like those are UT naps to me. Been thinking about you a lot, trying to figure this out!! Didn't you once say your LO has never really done particularly long naps? So, if she is happy and STTN on shorter naps, is it possible that those daytime naps will lengthen on their own over time as she needs it? Sorry if that sounds lame, but am thinking again of my friend whose baby never did more than 45 min naps. Then, on one nap, it took him a couple of months to get to 2hrs...??

Mycatmonet - I was just wondering if that first AT is a little short at 4HR 20?

We are doing okay here. I am a little confused about when to put BEnji down if he needs a CN? We have had lots of one nap days with good naps and he goes to BT 4HR 40 after a 2.5HR + nap with only one NW (this is good for us). So I wonder what his normal pm AT would now be when we next have to go for a CN? How do I work this out? It was 4HRS a few weeks ago but since then we have only done UT CNs from short naps. If we have a long 2 nap day, should I just guess his pm AT at 4HR 15 and hope??

[Aishi]

Thanks straffles. I think she was ot from combo of nap capping and a later BT plus I had to go in and resettle! She never gets upset in motn only mantra cries unless ill or OT....although latter has been very rare...I don't know I'm getting very muddled up I thought we were thru the transition since she's been doing so well :/

Wu was 7.45 and I put her down after 4h45min AT rather that 5h cos of her disrupted night so fx'd she naps ok...I won't cap tho unless it gets to 3hr cos the two times I've done that nights have been a bit off...its not easy is it?

I would go by B am nap on two nap days and If significantly short try for a UT pm nap. It won't really be UT cos am nap would have been short iykwim?

Katherine did you try for a longer at or are u waiting till she 100%?

[jessmum46]

DH had her this morning and did 5h25, slept 50 mins but he resettled for another 50.  However it's all gone a bit wrong this evening - we were at a wedding which went on longer than i expected and couldn't get her into bed until 7pm, took until 7.40 to settle (eek 6h A) as OT and OS so very long day . Think we may just have to do our best tomorrow to get back on track - will not be the day to start waking her at 7am as I was planning!  Ugh.  Wish us luck. 

[Aishi]

Good luck Katherine! Fx'd for a good night. These things happen tho. Sometimes it's easier to just stay home to work on sleep but life would get very claustrophobic like that!

Dd napped for from 12.30-3.30 I capped it or BT would have been ridiculous! She must be teething again that what usually causes mammoth naps. Fx'd we don't have ewu!

[mycatmonet]

lol straffles, i know our first A is a bit short but we're trying trying trying to make it bigger! I don't know why it's so difficult, but it just seems to be for us!!!
The capped nap am attempt backfired yesterday, the 30min cn was fine, and was perfect timing for us to go to a 1st birthday party... But then the party went longer than i'd expected. And i didn't want DD napping in the car home (or a pm nap at home wouldn't happen) so i kept her awake... Then she didn't want to nap at home anyway and i eventually apop'ed a nap on me for 45min and by then it was lateish and bt was 6:40pm (after a 3h A), asleep 7:10pm. But despite the perpetual OT we had 1 nw at 4am, bf and back to bed, and she slept another hour until 7am after eventually settling. Still just 10.5hr night sleep, and less than 12h in 24....
I am too scared to do cap an am cn today (!!) and seeing she had a good wu time i will leave her nap for however long, and aim for ebt.  She's napping now, had 4h A time.
Dyt i could try a capped cn with longer pm nap (well try for 2nd nap) on days with an ew, rather than a decent wu time? And meanwhile just try to stretch the am A to balance out our 1 nap days when DD wakes from 6am... Or would that be too inconsistent?
Aishi, 3h sleep, that's amazing! I wonder what it would have been if you hadn't capped it!

[Aishi]

Mcm I think that may be too inconsistent..on the other hand alternating one and two nap days is normal during 2-1 so It may be ok? .maybe try the short am and longer pm for a few days and if still no joy you could have a re-think?

Dd slept from 7.35-7.15 so definitely teething!! Last time I let her nap uncapped she slept for 3h45min lol his lo loves her sleep thank god! Cos ds is a pita wrt to sleep- up at 4.30 today after 8hr night ::


Good luck today all xx

[mycatmonet]

thanks aishi, i was guessing it might be too inconsistent. I might try the capped am nap caper starting next weekend, i have 11 days off work so i can take charge of the process for a good few days(save the possible dramas for DH and my mum this week). Good news is today's nap was 2h... 11-1 and in bed at 6pm (though 15min later she's not asleep, so hoping she settles soon...)

[Straffles]

Pleased to hear you've had a good one mycatmonet. I think you might want to avoid the inconsistency too, but if you have the courage to try it, you never know. I think you're awesome

My question is about 2 nap days too. Thanks AIshi for previous advice - I do know what you mean

However, we are heading for 2 nap day as BT, night lengths and WU are getting earlier, so I can't fathom what I should do since, if Benji's nap begins just before 11am..His AM AT is almost 4HR 25 and I don't really know about the PM one but think around 4HR 15ish.

So, if I cap the nap at 2HRS to allow for a CN, how can I fit that CN in if his AT takes him beyond 5pm iyswim? On the other hand, going for a 1nap day on the back of a nap that ends around 1pm would definitely make him OT. What have you ladies done in this situation?

[mycatmonet]

thanks straffles! I can't help you with this one, we have had naps ending at 11am (recently 10:20am!)and make it to bt as early as we can (but not early enough!) without a nap and 7-8hrs awake... So so so bad! (lol you have to take back my awesome status now!) but we've also had issues with afternoon naps stuffing up bt, making it too late and robbing from ns... BUT no experience with this recently, so DD might respond differently atm, they change all the time, don't they. No wonder i'm still here!!!

Would it work letting benji sleep as long as he wants without capping, and just trying a super ebt? You never know, super ebt may not lead to ew? Especially if the super ebt is early enough to stop ot?
 

[jessmum46]

Straffles if you got a 2h nap ending around 1pm I'd just do EBT of 5.45/6pm.  But then I love EBT!  If you're getting a good nap starting at 11am or later IMHO there's not reason to do a two nap day and I definitely wouldn't cap.  I'd only do/attempt a pm nap if the am one was unexpectedly short. 

Caitlin - we only do short am/long pm if its a very EW or short night like today . Have found 30 mins to be too much and she'll refuse a pm nap whenever I try, but 20-25 mins in car about 3h15 then pm nap around 2h later seems to work