Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition? Thread #24

[jessmum46]

If he has an EW just try a short CN after 3-3.5h - 20 mins or so then nap a couple of hours later.  If you get a reasonable wakeup, try a short A time 4h/4h15 or so and just see.  Remember it's one more wonky day . Loving your other thread by the way - great idea, we need some encouragement!

[Aishi]

Agree with you Katherine about short naps being OT rather than UT I was too quick to make at jumps too which is why we're in an OT mess too :/

Shame set naps aren't working but it does take a week or so to sets into a pattern (doing set nap with ds ATM) so hang in there and fx'd dd will get used to it xx

[jessmum46]

Yay day 4 of set nap and despite waking just after 6am she's done a 2h10 min nap!!!!!!!!!!  Woop woop!!! Am thinking BT will have to be just after 6 anyway because of the early start, but we may just manage a 12h day

If anyone's interested, the 2-1 threads #18 and 19 had quite a few people doing a set nap time with good success.....maybe worth a read if you're interested.  Will keep updating here anyway about how we get on

[Aishi]

Yay well done you! Fx'd she's settling into it now. Thanks for the links. Will read when get a chance...

Didn't go for EBT after all. Chickened out! 35 min capped CN after 3hr pm at only so must have been tired and will aim for 6.35/45 BT. Fx'd she does a long night so we can get back on track!

[jessmum46]

Great you got a CN in Aishi, fx for you that you get back on track in time for Christmas!

[Straffles]

So good to wake up to hear your good news, Jessmum and Aishi. So pleased.

I feel like I'm on the edge of a precipice. Please please help. DP doesn't think I should put BEnji down earlier despite shorter naps and earlier WUs and NWs!!

So, 3NWs (7pm, 8.30pm, 3.30am) all with bf to settle and I'm exhausted. The 3.30am NW took 50mins.

Benji woke at 6.15am (12 hours since BT) and I got him up at 6.30. So, if I go for an earlier AT of say 4HR 20, it will be before 11am. If he does sleep longer, 2HRs will be up BEFORE 1. So what would I do? I couldn't wake him at 2hrs and expect an early UT CN could I?

I'm trying to make some rules. I feel like it's all about to fall apart.

If he sleeps 1.5hours or less, go for CN at 3HR 15AT (that was the time he last took a CN two weeks ago)?

If he sleeps 2HRS, no time for CN, so EBT at 6 but as we know that doesn't suit him and THREE NWs last night, so...?

If he sleeps between 1HR 30 and 2HRS, then what? CN after 3HR 30? What if he doesn't settle for CN?

[mycatmonet]

hi straffles, this is our day, if it helps.
Last night asleep 6:10pm, nf 2:20am, wu 5:55am (toal ns 11h5hr) first A 4h20min (nap 10:15am - napping now). She did 1h 30min yesterday and i am expecting that, though it could be more or less. So DD will wake up probably 11:45ish (guessing) and i will do dinner at 4pm, followed by bath and bt wd at 5:30pm, for sleep by 6ish.

Is teeth a possibility for benji atm? I'd persist with ebt though...  And having a  12ish hour day.

Hugs, straffles... those nws sound terrible, i feel for you, btdt!!!

I also wonder, if the bf at nw may be a little prop for benji? I significantly reduced our nw and nf by not feeding before midnight, just doing pupd and it was hard work at first but was successful. Had a thread on it a while ago now.... I know you say bf is all you have to settle him to sleep, but if it's exhausting you, benji needs a happy, rested mummy so maybe it's worth considering other options for settling him at nw? He'll likely protest about no bf at first, but you or your dh would be with him, so it's tough but he'll be ok!!

And Straffles, what about getting earplugs, the foam kind tradies have, so you can still hear, but the screaming and crying is muffled a bit, especially if you're holding your lo. It gets loud. Just a thought! 

[Straffles]

Thanks Caitlin, love your advice. But daren't do anything new right now.

A 2.5 hour nap and a 6.25pm BT and he's awake crying again at 7pm. I'm waiting to see if he settles, but it doesn't sound hopeful. What a joke.

[mycatmonet]

we had 1h35min nap, awake 11.50am, bt 5.55pm asleep 6.10pm, so second a was 6h20min. DD is a bit off her food for a few days - not wanting anything like bread/pasta (pasta she ordinarily loves) or steamed carrots which need a bit of chewing - she accepted some soft foods, eg mushed avocado, banana and greek yoghurt, pureed green peas... Dyt teeth? I am guessing that, but it's upsetting anyway.

[Straffles]

Benji doesn't go off his food with teething but I have read that lots of LOs do, so sounds likely. Don't worry about her not eating, she will be fine, truly

What is your LO generally like on 6+ HRS AT? Is she a happy baby? Are you a happy mummy?

Wishing you and everyone else on the forum a restful Xmas period. Keep posting

Oh dear, Benji awake again at 8pm. This is getting so crazy. How can he be so OT on a 2.5hour nap? I wish someone could tell me what to do. Or do it for me. Are we the only ones to have so many multiple NWs on the 2-1?

[Straffles]

Also, thanks mcm for advice re. bf at NW. I think we do want to change things, but perhaps once we're through the 2 to 1. Atm, all I want is for him to get back to sleep as soon as possible and not get more OT, yk?

Can't imagine PUPD working - since I taught Benji to self-settle, any intervention - like walking into the room, touching or talking, just sets him screaming...he did so much better once we left him to it.

And I am exhausted, but thing is, I am awake anyway, so at least if I feed him I get to relax a bit (I lie down with him on a mattress in his room). If I could sleep between NWs, things would be very different

[mycatmonet]

aaah straffles, you said you wish you had someone to tell you what to do or do it for you (on my phone, can't quote!)... That was what sleep school was like, nurses to get you on track, it was so so so awesome. It's in brisbane, the ellen barron family centre - it's a 5 day live-in stay and whole families can go stay there, they have motel style rooms with ensuites etc.. When i went there were mums and bubs from other places in qld. It's free through medicare, but you need a referral via your dr or qld health child health practitioners. It was crazy, night 1 was noisy with lots of babies crying with nw etc, but by night 2 and 3, it was quiet! So many sucesss stories there when i went.

Atm DD is sometimes a little cranky and clingy because of teeth and developmental stuff, we're generally fine. Been doing such long pm a due to pm nap refusal and needing (?) short am at. So anything under 7h is a short pm a for us now lol.

[jessmum46]

Hugs Straffles I'm sorry it's rough at the moment for you.  I think we're all getting our share of NWs during this transition, though I wonder if it isn't harder for you if Benji is expecting a feed to settle?  But totally understand your not wanting to do anything different right now.  What is your EASY looking like at the moment? 

Eeeeeek just heard a crash from upstairs, hoping it doesn't mean a 50 minute wakeup......

[Aishi]

It's not going well after sttn from 6.50-6.10. I thought if try a shorter am a in case stillu needed to cu and did 4h20 at. She did a 1.5h nap. Yesterday she did 2.5h nap on 4h30 a So today was def UT right but surely 10min can't make that much diff!

Will be trying for another nap at 3 after 3h at and 7pm BT. Hmmm back on two naps?

[Aishi]

Dd napped from 3-4 capped and BT at 7. Asleep both times without a peep. Wdyt is going on?

Anyone else experienced their lo on a solid one nap for weeks and then revert back to two naps? I'm very confused!