Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition? Thread #24

[Aishi]

Wouldn't bet on it Katiebee :/ I'm struggling with lo2 although I didn't use BW for ds so maybe it doesn't count??

Today has been horrible. I tried for CN after 3h pm at (wishful thinking right?) finally got 30 min cap napped from 3.50-4.20 and Thought id aim for 2h at to BT. Wrong!! She chattered and played then was hysterical before finally falling asleep at 6.50! So UT followed by OT after a capped nap??! Wth?

Next time I think ill aim for a SEBT of 5.15 and hope she tacks on God knows what tonight will bring but I'm def having an early night.

Hope your days and nights are better! xx

[jessmum46]

Oh for goodness sake.  5h25 A, 1h05 nap and woke fairly happy at 1pm but with a dirty nappy so no hope of resettle.  Could be OS from busy morning?  Am I just dealing with crazy OT or does she need stupidly high A times?  Argh!  I'm so confused   surely she can't need more than 5.5h at 11 months?  Stick with it for a week or drop the A time right back down?  All opinions would be gratefully received!!!

How was your night Aishi?

[Aishi]

Are our Los talking to each other Katherine? :/

Weve been on 4h50 a for about a week and getting good 2.5+ naps. A few days ago I did 5h10 a by accident and she did 2h nap so I thought a little OT. Night was good

Next day I did 4h50 and got 1h30 nap. Still OT? Night was ok

Today 5h at and 1h45 nap?? So UT??? I shushed over monitor for last 10 min and all quiet so she may have gone back to sleep...

Who knows with these Los? I think you should give it a couple of days at 5h25-30 b keep last hr really low key and see what happens...

[Aishi]

What time ru doin lunch Katherine? I've noticed with poops if lunch is too close to nap she's woken with a poop...

So

Lunch 11/11.15
Bottle 11.45
Nap 12
Poop 2x this week

Lunch 10.30/45 I know ridiculously early but only way I get all bottles in cos she only drinks 4oz at a time!
Bottle 11.15
Nap 11.40
No poop!

Does that make any sense or am I going nuts and reading waaay too much into things??!

[jessmum46]

Nope we have the same I think . Generally lunch around 11/11.15 at the moment - fairly set for then whatever the wakeup.  Maybe I should try earlier and see?  Gonna be a struggle this afternoon I think - 1h nap waking at 1pm = a long day whether I get a CN or not (most likely not)

[jessmum46]

You know what, this might be totally wrong but my current feeling is despite good overall sleep totals these short naps are now OT, whatever they may have been to start with   I've noticed that the last few days she's seemed really tired by around 4h30.  I think I just need to try putting her down then and seeing what happens   If I saw someone else posting about really long A times, short naps and LO almost always waking crying I think I'd say OT wouldn't you?  Tonight I tried for 5.30pm BT but she was already OT and didn't settle until 6pm.  TBH it can't get any worse than it is now!  I'm not asking for a long nap, but you'd think I could at least manage a 1h30 if she's not OT......

[Aishi]

Sorry hon that this is so difficult for u both I would go with your gut then Katherine. Mum knows best. Why don't you try a much shorter am at tomorrow morning like 4h30 and see if she naps easier and longer? You can then rule out OT at least...

Ours was def UT she did 2.5h nap on 5h at in am and 4h50 in pm so we will be sticking with that for a few days depending on how night goes...

[jessmum46]

DH and I had a chat about naps last night and we've decided we are going to give a set nap time a go.  Am finding all the A time tweaking a headache and it doesn't feel like its getting us anywhere at the moment.  Horrible night with night wakings and ended up doing a NF at 4am just to get some sleep Basically feel like a set nap can't make it worse!  So we're going with 11.30am as that's when her nap will be set at nursery after Christmas and am going to try to stick with it for at least a week to see what happens.  Will be trying for WU 6.30-7 (waking her by then if not up already) but will be flexible with BT.  Here's hoping!  I know several people have thought about set naps so will keep you posted about how we get on x

[Straffles]

I really feel for you Jessmum. I was thinking about you today and wondering whether these repeated short naps were OT. I thought that a 5HR AT should sit still for a long time once one 1 nap, and so maybe this is what is going on for you? What have you decided to do?

Aishi, I was also thinking about you How did that day resolve where you did the UT CN and EBT that she struggled to settle for? How was your night?

We have had a really bad one this evening unfortunately. I think it must be teething. Benji went to bed at 6.30, straight out, after a 2HR 40 nap and 4HR 40 to BT (which seems to agree with him after a long nap). He woke at 7pm screaming. It took 3 breastfeeds, panadol, and lots of screaming before he fell asleep on me. DP had even brought him out of the room to show him the house, because he was so distressed. I was on the phone to a nurse to find out if I could give him nurofen too (answer, no). It must be teething. He seemed happy today, but seems to be teething on and off with ear pulling and wanting lots more bf during the day. It can't be anything else, can it.

So, obviously I'm concerned for the night ahead, and for tomorrow. What can I expect with teething and naps etc.?

We've been having an odd time, with mostly long naps and all one nap days for over 2 weeks now. But NWs and EWs are unpredictable and I can't see a pattern at all. EBT doesn't seem to suit him all that much, I find, but I won't go into detail here. Just got to get through tonight and tomorrow I guess. Any thoughts??

[Straffles]

Jessmum, you posted while I was writing!

Set naps seems a very good idea to me. I was saying to DP earlier, this Atime tweaking can't surely go on for ever. There has to be a time when we say, darling LO, now is the time for your nap. Isn't that how it goes, yk?

I think you're courageous and savvy

[mycatmonet]

straffles, i long for the day when DD has a nap, bt and wu at a predictable time!
Bt tonight was 5:35pm, asleep 5:55pm.. However. wu today was 5:15am or earlier, with a 1h40min nap at 4h20min A, ending at 11:15am (so 6h40min last A!)...  Katherine, i will watch your set nap experience like a hawk!

[*Becky*]

katherine, just popping on to say that we are also doing a set (ish) nap of 12-12.15pm....she did fall asleep for 10 mins in the car this am so that was not planned but we have done this for about 6 days now. Done nothing for the naps unfortunately but gives us more of a plan yk? Good luck xx

[jessmum46]

Thanks Becky x

[jessmum46]

Day 1 a resounding success!!!  Straight to sleep at 11.35, woke and resettled herself at 12.30, just woken happy at 13.35

[Straffles]

That's wonderful news Jessmum

Just online looking for updates from anyone else, but nothing so far.

So mine is this. Benji is definitely teething. AFter the long hour screaming from 7pm last night, he slept from 8pm til 4.30am then another long hour bf before he went back to sleep til 7am. So a pretty poor night. But he napped well today. Think I have put him down too late for BT at 7.15pm...too late now

Looking at my records, Benji has been on 1nap day every day for 11days. His nights have been disrupted with early night wakings and second or third wakings (usually most settled with bf) and some early morning wakings from which I can't re-settle him. That's just how it is I guess. But when do things actually settle into a predictable pattern?

Are there others on the forum who've been through it and can advise us when the process is over and/or how it resolved for them?