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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2016, 10:03:07 am »
Hello welcome to BW forums :)
If your DS is adaptable to the different routines on different days (he does seem to be based on your two different routines) then I'd suggest a home routine where the CN is dropped - and if possible move the two naps a bit later so that it is not a very long A time to BT or do a slightly earlier BT. And a not-home routine where you keep the 4.30pm CN - and if possible drop one of the morning CNs instead so that the day becomes CN, long nap, CN.  With one of the morning CNs dropped he might be more willing to go down for the late afternoon CN to make that easier but each A time wouldn't get overly long. It's just that if you reduce the late afternoon one and then drop it there is a very long A time between nap and BT and I assume you have the school run to fit in.
Many people have non-standard routines to fit around school etc, if you find something that suits you and your LO and the family then that's ideal even if it isn't two long naps every day.
hope this helps :)


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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2017, 18:49:17 pm »
(I apologize for the english, I'm trying my best)

Hello, I'm from Brazil and me and my husband have applied Tracy Hogg's methods since our LO was 5 days old.

Now he is 5 1/2 mo, sleeps independently and is only breast fed.

For the past 10 days he has early waking ( by 5:20 am), I read about it here in the forum, so I'm trying the 3-2 transition naps for the last 3 days.
The problem is it doesn't seem to be working.

Our routine yesterday:

5:20 am woke up (not crying); I waited 10 min, I gave him his pacifier
6:15 am woke up, BF
8:30 am nap (I tried to stretch the longest he supported, but he had all signs of tiredness)
10:00 am BF + A
13:00 pm nap
14:20 pm BF + A
17:00 pm CN 20 min (was so tired) --> BF
19:20 bath + BF (a little, almost nothing)
20:00 pm overtired, BT (easily)
04:15 am noises, slept by himself ( by this moment I thought this would work as "wake to sleep")
05:20 am woke up, 10 min hearing, I gave his pacifier, slept
06:15 am BF
08:15 am nap (very tired)

I feel it's hard pushing his first A time by the morning.
I mean, am I doing anything wrong ? Bath time too late ?
Should I not give him the pacifier by 5 am ??

I'd appreciate if anyone could help us. Thank you.
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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2017, 07:03:10 am »
Hello wise helpful reader!

My little miss is almost 6 months. She is mostly a great nighttime sleeper but her daytimes have become troublesome. She wakes from her day naps after 30-45mins. I have tried the PU/PD and the wake to sleep methods but they really haven't worked. When she does wake up shes mostly happy, like she is ready to play. She isnt crying - just being vocal/ chatting thats shes awake and ready for some company. Shes on the 4 hour EASY and if after the 1st nap (9am) i try to keep her up til the next 1pm nap (kind of hoping she will sleep longer). Sometimes this will result in a 1hr+ish nap or just another 40min nap. Her evening catnap (5.15pm) she easily sleeps 45mins then we wake her. As i said night times aren't an issue she may wake once around 5am but easily goes back to sleep til 7am. She falls asleep easily enough and we have a quiet wind down so she isn't overstimulated, just having trouble extending her nap lengths.

Currently:
7am Awake (BF)
9am Nap (duration up to 40mins - try to resettle til 11am)
11am Feed (BF)
1pm Nap (duration 40mins - 1hour - try to resettle til 3pm)
3pm Feed (bottle)
5.15pm Catnap
7pm feed (bottle)
8pm Bedtime (have tried to bring it back but she just wakes earlier in the morning)


So im wondering if i should be increasing her Awake time to 3hours and dropping the CN? Also what would the Feeding times look like? As shes mix fed i just want to make sure she doesn't get hungry.

My only other thought is at nighttime we still swaddle her but during the day she is arms out in a sleeping bag. I'm half tempted to start swaddling her again during the day but i dont want to go backwards as i like that she has her freedom. She's also started sitting up on her own this last week so not sure if thats adding to the sleep issue .. but the issues been going on atleast 1 month now.

I would love any thoughts and suggestions please as im running out of ideas!!!!

Thank you for taking the time :)
« Last Edit: September 12, 2017, 07:40:52 am by MamaBergs »
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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2017, 14:32:29 pm »
Hello! I was wondering if I need to transition my LO from 3-2 naps and whether that would be a solution to our sleeping issues. He's 4.5 months (20 wks) and quite a big baby. He has been on a 3.5 EASY (sometimes going even 4h) and dropped the 4th CN since 2.5 months without any problems. Until a few weeks ago his naps were 2, 1.5h and 40 min.and he was sleeping good stretches of 6-7 and 3-4h per night, waking once to feed and once around 5. In the past few weeks he started to wake up at 3h max during the night, sometimes even every half hour especially after 4 a.m. His naps have become shorter - 1.5h and 240 min.and it takes him a lot of time and fussing to fall asleep. He used to be asleep within 5 min.after I would put him into his crib! And he also won't eat as much as he used to, seems to be distracted and more interested in the world around him, even when I'm bf in a quiet dim room. I thought that's the reason why his naps are shorter - waking up hungry at 3h, but I'm not sure. I would really appreciate your advice!

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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #64 on: October 04, 2017, 15:44:31 pm »
It does sound like it's time for more A time, if not for 2 naps just yet.  What is his A time right now?  I would probably push it 10 mins or so and hold for a few days to assess, then push a bit more if needed.  That might mean you need to have a shorter catnap and/or slightly later bedtime for a time until he gets to the point where 2 naps will get him through the day (at which point you will probably need an EBT for a bit).  Have you seen the 3-2 information in the FAQs?
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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2017, 18:32:40 pm »
Thank you for your reply! I read it, that's how I found this thread :) I try to put him to bed at 1h40-1h50 A time - depending when he starts to be sleepy and cranky, so that he's asleep by 2h. We have been spending more time at home lately so maybe I'm missreading his cues and crankiness means he's bored and needs a change of scene? Today was the worst day ever. He had 1h20 morning nap - I had to extend at 40 min.which is his cycle, then at 2h A time it took him 25 min.fussing and crying to fall asleep. He woke up after 40 min and I thought I needed to put him for his 3 nap earlier, fearing he might get OT, but wouldn't sleep until 16.50, 3h40 min after he woke up. He slept for 40 min.again, woke up all cranky and fussy, had a bath, he wouldn't BF and I struggled to give him a bottle of EBM so he wouldn't be hungry and finally went to fell asleep just now after I tried to put him to bed for 40 min. He's not my perfect textbook LO anymore :( I'll try extending A time starting tomorrow morning and see what happens. Will I need to somehow adjust his feeds since he hasn't started solids yet, doesn't eat much and becomes hungry at 3-3.5h tops?

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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2017, 08:23:07 am »
I found that as we extended A time we could just stick with a eat, activity, sleep pattern and actually LO would go a bit longer between feeds than I expected as they were having a good nap.  You may be surprised :)  But if he genuinely does start waking early from naps from hunger, you could always give a bit of a top-up pre-nap and then feed properly on waking.  From what you've said above I do think extending a bit may help - that first mid-nap WU at 40 mins makes me wonder if he's just not quite tired enough to connect cycles together properly.  After a short nap I never found reducing the A time by much very helpful actually.  I would go for a near-normal A time and hopefully you'll at least get a resettle x
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Re: Anyone want to talk about 3:2 nap transition? Part 3
« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2017, 09:54:20 am »
Here's my update hoping it may help someone: I started increasing A time to deal with NW but nothing changed until one day we had only 2 naps - that night he slept much better. Since I was not quite sure whether that was the reason, after that night I tried putting him for a 3rd nap twice in 4 days and each time he would have a 3rd nap, no matter how short (once I even woke him up after 5 min!) he would wake up every 1-2h during the night. With 2 naps we got progressively from 8 NW to 3 in 3 days (hopefully we'll get to just 1 and STTN :) ). So now I'm pretty sure that the need for 3-2 transition (despite the fact that he's only 21 wks) was the reason for the NW in our case.