anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?

[debo620]

yah, we usualy have 40min sleep cycles here too, so 1hr 45min naps are just weird. anyway he woke happy and stayed there for another 15min and he was happy this evening, seemed sleepy at 7pm but then talked for 40min before falling asleep.

[*Natasha*]

Rina just wanted when we did GW with DD for nights due to SA we also has regression i was so frustrated as i though it would never end but it did

[becky1969]

Deb - 1hr45 usually worked OK for us. 1hr15 he usually went to bed OT (partially b/c it was a stretch to make it even to 6 pm!).  Owen did a lot of 1hr30-1hr45 min naps while working up to a more predictable 2-2.5 hours. I finally realized it was b/c he wasn't QUITE ready for the awake time I was giving him between wake-up and nap time. As he was able to strech his A-time wings, he started napping longer. At least, that's how it seemed to me.

[babyre33]

I was going to get on before I went to bed to say what a WONDERFUL day we had!!!  We never go anywhere, but today I sucked up my fear of notnapping well and went for a n all day trip.  45 min nap in car at appropriate nap time, and 2 hr nap at SIL's house at appropriate nap time.  I had to wake her here.  We got home abit too late for bed time, but she fell asleep at bedtime in t he car for 30, and then just changed her clothes and in her crib a few min later.  She didn't eat well with all the excitment ofthe day.  So when she woke at 1:30 am I fed her.  She slept for 30 min, up  then 15 min, up and down up and down.

Any ideas about what's bothering her?

[rinajack]

Not sure Andrea - could just be that her night sleep got broken?  Have you given pain relief?

Well, today was a disaster (thankyou Natasha for your post I needed it right now ).  Down for her nap with very little effort, right on time, no probs.  55 min nap.  She seemed to be trying really hard to settle, but seemed unable.  She had panadol before the nap, but I thought I would try some teething gel.  And OMG how on earth in the less than 2 hrs since I managed to feel her gums, did another part of that molar break through.  So unlucky.  Also, when I finally let her out of bed, I realised she had a dirty nappy - not exactly sure when in the process that happened.  She had 5 dirty nappies today - must be her teething. Grrrr. Anyway, still happy as larry til bed time, went down no harder no easier than the last couple of nights.

[babyre33]

Oh Rina, I'm scared of molars.  Adalyn's teething right n ow too.  She's been drooling rivers.  I did give pain meds.  I think it was an upset belly.  She had a messy diaper in the middle of the night when she first woke, then in the morning when she woke for good had another.  We go from diarrhea to being the constipation queen over here.  She has always had a lot of belly issues.

I hope it gets better Rina.  You're dealing with a bunch of issues at once...just think when this is all done, yo uwon't have anything left to deal with!  You'll be a pro with it all.

[OliverRowland]

I make sure ds is awake by 3:00pm (starts at 1:30) in order to keep a 7pm bedtime.  If i let him go longer (like a 2hr nap) he is a struggle to get down at bedtime.   I know it's all about fine tuning naps but it feels like I don't have enough hours in the day to do that right now.

[babyre33]

With us, she has to be up by 4.  So 2-4 is the perfect nap time.  Our neighbors are unbelievably loud, so even if her schedule is running late for the day, I do everything in my power to get her asleep by 2ish, or the nextdoor dogs, cars, kids, yelling parents, etc. will wake her up.

Naps have actually been pretty good here lately, but nights keep getting shorter.!?!?  She's only getting like 13-13.5 hrs sleep, but most of that is good naps makign up for badish nights.  Has anyone everhad this?  Have you cut naps short to see if nights get better?  We're lucky if we get 11 hrs at night lately...last night was less than 10

[babyre33]

Well, I had to say how good naps were going.... just over an hour here today for #2 and 35 min for #1,  the night was crap too.

So she got up at 3:15 and I'm thinking about aabout a 6:15 bedtime I hope she won't get up too early!!!  I don't know what was up with her the with those crazy nights earlier this week, but 3.5hrs A time before bed seems to be the magic number on a good nap.  She took a 2+ hr nap yesterday and fell asleep on her own at 3.5 hrs.  So I'll go with 3 today.  It seems like when things get good, and I start to feel it...it all falls apart so quickly.

Does anybody have good news?

[rinajack]

Kind of....Asleep by 7 (took 1/2 hr of wi/pd/wo - so about the same as normal)....woke at 10:15 settled really quick, but woke again at 11, so gave more pain meds (it was time) slept til 5:30 - wasn't screaming for us, but was having trouble finding her dummy - she has a specific sound for that) gave it to her and she slept til 6:50!!!!!

So despite me feeling like the naps are just too short....she seems to be doing just great on them...and she is not cranky, she is happy all the time, all day (unless I am trying to make her sleep of course). So, I think we will just get on with it, cause it appears she will nap longer when she wants/needs to.  Having said that - I will keep on trying to resettle when she wakes from her short naps, you never know which day it might just work

[debo620]

becky-
we seem to get 2hr+ naps on a 5.25hrs A time in the morning, yesterday it was 5.5hrs and there you have it a 1hr45min nap, so he woke at 2, was in bed for 7, but moaned and talked til 7:45pm and alas a 5:15am waking. wonderful! so today was two naps of 30min and then 2hrs and he was in bed for 7, I think he's quiet now at 7:15. Heres hoping for an after 6:30am waking.

I may actually go back to two naps for a few weeks, and like Stacy said just accept the 10.5hr nights. I'm sort of tired of trying this and not getting any consistancy. So yes he can do 2hr+ naps but honestly our nights are not getting any longer. He doesn't seem to be able to be stretched past a 5.25 hr awake time so there is an extra 30-60 min which are messing us up.

ok its 7:25 and he's still chatting away.
tooth #13 and #14 have just cut through so we are caught up to you!

[rinajack]

Another molar corner cut through today, but not on the molar that is trying to cut through already, on ANOTHER molar....ggrrrrr.  She wont' really eat either, and I know that all 4 molars are on the move....her mouth must be sore. And she has ALWAYS been very difficult sleep wise when teething, but this could go on for several more weeks at least, her teeth are always slow to come through....

So, yet again a 45 min nap.  I am going nuts with the sleep training, tonight I lost my temper and realised (after DH calmly took over) that she wasnt' going to sleep because of me - I even yelled at her

Thing is, like all of you, my gut says she needs more than that.  Her behaviour doesn't really back me up though.  We were driving in the car from 9-10:40 today and she didn't fall asleep, although she may have if we kept going - I think around 11.  I think with some effort I could get her to take a nap around 11.  But a 45 min nap starting at 12pm leaves me with no tired signs til 5pm.  So if I try to do two naps, I will have to lose at least 2 hrs of the night, just to fit in probably another 45 min nap.

Total day sleep of even less than what she is getting now, which is about 12.5 hrs or so...sometimes more like 13 hrs......

Ugh, so over it, and not feeling good pregnancy wise, this is really getting hard for me....I am bad tempered, impossible to please, crying over everthing, exhausted.....any tips for helping ME through this? Or her?

[OliverRowland]

I am just curious....has anyone on the thread ever tried the 2-1 switch as done by BW, ie slowly dropping pm nap and pushing am nap later and later?
And how do other mothers who are not following BW methods do the 2-1 switch?

[debo620]

Oliver Rowland, those are good questions, but I'm not sure of the answers. I think the method described in BW could work but it is all dependent on whether you can get your cild to take a littlle catnap in the stroller before supper until you move the main nap forward til after lunch.

we have had a couple of hard days,
we had another 5:15am wake today!

anybody with some insight, please share:

Saturday
wake 6:45
nap 12:15-2 so a little short
bed at 7:05, but he talked and fell asleep at 7:45pm

Sunday
woke 5:15, stayed in his crib til 7:15 but no sleep
nap 1 9:30-10
nap 2 1:30-3:20 when my husband went and woke him
bed at 7:10 but he still played till 7:45pm and then was finally quiet

today
woke 5:15 aaaaargh! stayed in his crib til 7:15 but no sleep
so I'm thinking I'll give him 20min at 9:30
and then hope he sleeps 12:45/1 for 2+ hours
bed 7:15

just not sure how to get him caught up after 9.5hr night without it effecting the next night or morning.

[samijoe]

yes Rina,  Stacy complains to me ALOT!!

but then again, i complain an awful lot to Stacy!!

i do the same, i save little errands and chores out especially for whiny days.  it gives us something to do to distract distract distract!!

We have been having a few early wakings over the last week, so i am going to go back to two naps for a bit to see if we should stay there longer.  She does fabulous most days on one nap, but it isn't consistent enough.....so i fear the switch might have been too soon.

We will get there though!  i hope, lol!

Hang in there all.

sami