It just got worse ....

[Vicku]

Hi Mukta,
Just checking in on you two. Hope the bigger nappy will help you.
We have LOADS of snow here now. Strange for this time of year...
Hugs!

[Lissybits]

Oh, sorry to hear about last night - you must be knackered But as you say, it was probably due to jabs - they can be unsettling

Yes, we're really looking forward to our summer hols but just to keep us going until then, Mum will be over at the end of April for 2 weeks for Greek Easter 
Can't wait, I'm in need of some Englishtivity and of course, it goes without saying that I want MY MUMMY too!!

Hope you will still be in London in the summer tho
Lis

[Mama2boys]

Hey Lis,

Do let me know if you need anything form London, can send it through your mum!! I am so envious that your mom will be visiting you ..what fun! i want my mommy too.

Hope tonight is not as bad as last!

goodnight
Mukta

[Mama2boys]

Hi ladies,

Desperate, yet again..bet you thought you'd never see me here again.

DS was ill for about a week almost 10 days ago (is returning to normal now) and completly lost his appetite. It has started coming back since the last 3/4 days, but then so is his need for a midnight bottle.  For the past 3-4 days he has been waking up with a full blown tantrum wont let us touch him, hug him, give him pacifier nothing, is screaming out of his mind, his throat gets hoarse etc etc till he gets milk. It is way worse than it used to be.

So I gave for 2 days while he was ill thinking once his appetite is back and he is back to full melas he won't need it, but I was wrong. He  still wants it.

He wont take just 2-3oz he keeps crying till he has had about 5-6 and worse won't fall back to sleep immediately like he initally did, stays up for nearly an hr.

Any thoughts on whats happennhning. I am so broken right now at the thought of going through all this again. Is he on a growth spurt at 14.5months? is he making up for lost calories? No 2 days has the NW been at the same time....

Thanks for your help ladies....

Mukta

[Vicku]

Hi Mukta!
Sorry to hear things aren't good! Illness can really mess things up!
I don't know if I have tha much advice on what to do really. My DD hasn't had a night feed since we gave up DF at 10.5 months, and that's not really a night feed anyway... so even though she can wake in the middle of the night, she's never expecting a feed. If DS is genuinely hungry after not having an appetite he'll obviously need the extra calories, so problem is how to get him to have them during the day instead of waking at night for them. I'm sure you're already trying your best to get more into him in the day, so hard to advise really. Maybe letting him have more of his favourite foods? Adding extra fat e.g. butter or oil to his food? I was told you can add it in almost anything, porridge, fruit puree or yoghurt, or in his dinner foods. Where is he at weight wise for his age/height?
Otherwise maybe it's a matter of giving in to the night feed for a short while and trying to up calories in the day, and then if he doesn't stop waking for the milk in the night you might have to go back to sleep training again, WI/WO or PU/PD... unfortunately...I know that's hard work but it will probably be necesary if he doesn't all of a sudden go back to sleeping through on his own.

I'm only thinking what I would do if I was in your situation...

Also, if he's been unwell some of it might be that he's OT too, and less able to settle himself when he wakes cos of that.

I'm happy to share my thoughts and bounce ideas, but I'm no expert on the subject hun. Hope things settle down quickly!

Lots of hugs to you!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[jcjc205]

Mukta,

I was hoping you had solved the puzzle.

My LO is 14 months today and is currently waking up at around 4am for a bottle (much like your LO). She goes right back to sleep and wakes up around 7 - 8am. I'm not sure what to do. I started reducing the amount of milk by 10ml every day. Maybe that helps (but I think you tried this too). Let me/us know if you find a better solution.

Lots of hugs as well

[Mama2boys]

Hi there,

4am must be a magic time! DS also goes back to sleep more often than not and then wakes between7 and 8. On days that he does not have the midnight milk, he wakes up between 6-7.

I think I am going to give him the milk as he wants for a couple of days and see how it goes, maybe he is just trying to make up for the lost days.

Thanks for your advise Vicku, I am trying to up his daytime intake but with no luck. I do add butter to almost all his meals. He is in the 25th percentile ht and wt wise, but then neither DH nor I are very big built.

I just hope he would sleep through the night...

[Vicku]

Hope last night was better hun! Doesn't sound like he's underweight or anything, maybe he'll be ok in a few days... hope so! There is always the possibility that he's waking from something else, like more teething, and then has his miond set on milk as it was his previous habit for a long time to have milk, *then* settle to sleep. Just another thought...
I'm hoping you'll get it sorted so you can have some good sleep again

[Mama2boys]

Thanks Vicku, we started diluting the feed again, lets see how it goes, maybe i just need to accept that thats the way he is!

[Vicku]

Well, setbacks seem inevitable unfortunately... especially after illness. Hope diluting it works! Let us know how it goes!

[mari]

Hi there,



I think I am going to give him the milk as he wants for a couple of days and see how it goes, maybe he is just trying to make up for the lost days.

Just be careful not to get into the habit again.  My guess is that is he's not taking it during the day then he hasn't fully recovered yet.  TBH, although milk will help to fill them up, do you really think it's sufficient enough to help him get a good night's sleep at this age?  I wondered that when I was giving it to Alex and I really think that it was more of a case that I was depending on it to help her get to sleep and soothe her rather than fill her tummy.

[Mama2boys]

Hi Mari,

I think you are spot on he is still not back to a 100% and  looks like the second molars are striking now...so bad timing yet again.

But something is strange for sure. He had become pretty good at falling asleep for the night and today was crazy, the guy who normally barely has 5oz before falling asleep today had 8!

Lets see how tonight goes, but although he is over the sickness I think some hangover is still there, and I have a sneaky feeling it has something to do with digestion and heartburn as the poor guy has been burping a lot...

Am I right to assume that if he wakes at different times everynight its not a habit?

The bright spot is that at least this time I know how to hopefully get him back on track as I have done it successfully before

Mukta

[Lissybits]

Hi Mukta,

How were things last night? How is Uday feeling now?
I think you're right to wait until he's 100% before starting to sleep train again.
I'm sending lots of strength and patience!
Lis
xx

[Mama2boys]

Hi Lis,

Man do I need that strength and patience.

he was up last night form 2-4, howling! Not sure what it is, indigestion or what....gave him milk and he still kept crying
It all seems to have become worse since the 2-1 switch will probably post his routine there and see if anyone has any guidance.

But this is killing me.

Mukta

[Vicku]

As you might remember our routine and everything that comes with it was a total mess with EW, NW and OT for quite some time... That switch can be a bitch to crack, but you'll get there hun. I know how hard it is though!
If he still kept crying even though you gave him milk it sounds like it's something else than hunger, so you could probably conclude it's not that. Maybe you should stop giving/trying to give milk so you're not getting him used to that again. Have you tried giving Ibuprofen? In case it's teeth...