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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #390 on: September 17, 2008, 06:56:04 am »
I was reading something on BLW the other day that suggested that babies instinctively know when something's not good for them and wont eat it.  This page suggested that you can give your baby ANYTHING to eat from the time they are old enough to get it into their mouths and chew.

Now, I'm not sure if that's strictly true - I'm pretty certain that if I gave Mae a lump of chocolate she'd eat it lol (and look at Finn with the icecream lol! - or maybe it WAS good for him - good for the soul ;)), BUT, I am fairly relaxed about what I let her try.  She had chilli with us the other night and it was quite spicy - she loved it!  I don't think we have the same caution with carrots in the UK (Something to do with the soil elemental composition) though...

I'm not about to put a bowl of peanuts in front of her, and honey is a no-no but generally speaking, if I'm eating and she looks interested...

Welcome to the world of BLW Mel - I'm a newbie myself but it has to be said that I rave about BLW!!!  I would never use purees with a baby again!

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #391 on: September 17, 2008, 08:54:11 am »
Jo, yes they do say they won't eat stuff that is bad for them....but a month or so ago Josh grabbed my cookie out of my hand and had a munch before I could stop him!!  :o So I don't think its strictly true  ::)

Welcome Mel  :-*
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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #392 on: September 17, 2008, 10:29:04 am »
Hi there

Welcome Melissa - you're going to have a great time doing BLW  ;)

Nicola - we have 4 or 5 different types of cup on the go to try and get A to drink independently from at least one of them, but she's not having any of it  :P On Sunday we had one day where we didn't help her at all but I felt so guilty as I just don't think she took in enough fluid - she points at the cup when she wants a drink so she knows exactly what to do, iykwim  ::) However, I dropped the morning feed on Monday (just gave breakfast first - hope that's what I was supposed to do) and therefore I knew she was getting even less fluid so have been helping her again  :P She has picked up the sippy a couple of times so that's a step forward, but only a small one! Am not worried about her eating habits at the childminder (she shovels things in at the moment - to the point of gagging  ::)) am just worried about her not using a cup by herself - and the childminder expecting her too.

Thanks for the vote of confidence in the Organix range - Alice loves the savoury snacks (cheese & herb puffs are her fave) but she is hilarious with the noughts and crosses - she won't eat the crosses for some reason, just likes the noughts  ::)

I've heard a few times that LOs know what's good for them - so Alice has a gut feeling about chocolate then!! I took her for her jabs last week and the HV has mini packs of Milky Bar buttons to give to the children. She opens a pack and and has one of the drops between her thumb and forefinger as she says 'can she have chocolate?' -before I have chance to say that we haven't given her any yet Alice has grabbed the button, scoffed it and is pointing at the packet asking for more!! Yes . . . they instinctively know what's good for them  ;D

Hope you and your LOs are all well  :-*

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #393 on: September 17, 2008, 10:47:03 am »
Help, help, help, help, help :-\ My little man is 5 and a half months old and I have been determind to BLW since I read about it before ds was born because it makes so much sense, until mum gets on at me about the choking thing- she's very against the idea! Luckily I do as my hubby and I please so this won't stop me, but it is now sooooo close to doing it and I am worrying about what to do first!! I have so many questions like- what food is best to start on? What time of the day do I introduce it? How often should I offer food during one day? How much of a food should I offer/expect him to try? etc....
Any advice or handy tips (on starting/convincing mother it's ok!) would be very much appreciated.
Thanks for your time

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #394 on: September 17, 2008, 12:17:24 pm »
Hi Melissa and duckeggblue!

Melissa - carrots are a funny thing, they're the first food we're told to give. The Italian guidline book says (and this I find pretty hilarious) week 1 carrot puree, week 2 carrots with a little olive oil, week 3 carrots with a little olive oil and PARMESAN CHEESE  :o they tell you to bf up to 2 years, but having introduced solids you can drop a feed after 3 weeks. A friend following their advice is so proud that her baby's taken so well to solids and now only has 1 bf first thing in the morning  :o :o :o and no formula either  :o :o :o :o

sorry, that's a sidetrack, but a scary one. Then again I suppose the vast majority of the Italian population are perfectly healthy.

duckeggblue. Choking - Norah has gagged a couple times, but the only thing she ever choked on so far (leading to projectile vomit all over me) was a puree as I was shovelling it in to her. It seems that if I leave her to be in control of how much and how fast things go in, she has it under control. As far as convincing your mum - surely what she doesn't know won#t hurt her? That's my approach. All or better said, most babies have some finger foods. Does your mother really need to know that yours only has finger foods?

taken from Gill Rapley's original article on BLW:

Won't he choke?
Many parents worry about babies choking. However, there is good reason to believe that babies are at less risk of choking if they are in control of what goes into their mouth than if they are spoon fed. This is because babies are not capable of intentionally moving food to the back of their throats until after they have learnt to chew. And they do not develop the ability to chew until after they have developed the ability to reach out and grab things. Thus, a very young baby cannot easily put himself at risk because he cannot get the food into his mouth in the first place. On the other hand, the action used to suck food off a spoon tends to take the food straight to the back of the mouth, causing the baby to gag. This means that spoon feeding has its own potential to lead to choking – and makes the giving of lumpy food with a spoon especially dangerous.

It appears that a babies general development keeps pace with the development of his ability to manage food in his mouth, and to digest it. A baby who is struggling to get food into his mouth is probably not quite ready to eat it. It is important to resist the temptation to 'help' the baby in these circumstances since his own developmental abilities are what ensure that the transition to solid feeding takes place at the right pace for him. This process is also what keeps him safe from choking on small pieces of food, since, if he is not yet able to pick up small objects using his finger and thumb, he will not be able to get, for example, a pea or a raisin into his mouth. Once he is able to do this, he will have developed the necessary oral skills to deal with it. Putting food into a babies mouth for him overrides this natural protection and increases the risk of choking.

Tipping a baby backwards or lying him down to feed him solid food is dangerous. A baby who is handling food should always be supported in an upright position. In this way, food which he is not yet able to swallow, or does not wish to swallow, will fall forward out of his mouth, not backwards into his throat.

Adopting a baby-led approach doesn't mean abandoning all the common sense rules of safety. While it is very unlikely that a young baby would succeed in picking up a peanut, for example, accidents can and will happen on rare occasions – however the baby is fed. Rules of safety which apply in other play situations should therefore be adhered to when eating is in progress.

Time of day to start? I'd go for around lunch time, about an hour after a milk feed.

What? Some steamed veggies or fruit would be a traditional route. We started with carrot sticks, then zucchini sticks, banana, ripe pear. There are lots of ideas here: http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=95978.0 and http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com/ has lots of great info that can be adapted to BLW.

At the beginning don't expect him to eat more than the equivalent of a tablespoon full or so. Infact, he may well not eat anything, you probably will only know when you see what comes out the other end  :P leave it up to him how much or little he eats. Just keep an eye on the amount of milk he drinks - it still nees to be the main source of nutrition up to a year.
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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #395 on: September 17, 2008, 13:16:41 pm »
Thanks Lisi's mum. thanks for the advice. Will keep you posted as to how we get on in a few weeks time! ;D

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #396 on: September 17, 2008, 15:23:24 pm »
Wow, it's been a really really long time since I've been on here....I just did a quick scan through the pages on this thread that I missed, sounds like everyone is doing great!

Well, we've strayed away from BLW the last little while unfortunately  :(  There's lots of reasons why, but mainly because I'll be going back to work soon, and DS is still waking in the night hungry, so I thought that if I spoon fed him his meals to get as much food into him as possible, it would help with his sleep (and it has a little bit) but we're still struggling with him waking during the night and taking full breastfeeds.....but that's another story I guess!!

Anyway, I remember someone on here was mentioning a great recipe for muffins for babies, and also I though someone said something about a recipe for beef stew???  I'd love to get our DS back eating finger foods; does anyone know where these recipes are by any chance???

Well, hope you are all doing fantastic, and thanks for the help!

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #397 on: September 25, 2008, 22:16:52 pm »
Andrea,

Sorry no ones replied!! Where have we all been!!

I do a beef stew for Callie ... I just get stewing steak, put it in slow cooker/oven with salt free stock cube on low for a few hours until the meat just breaks apart.  Then thicken up to make a gravy :)  Callie isn't a fan of messy runny food so we wrap the beef in little bits of puff pastry and she eats it like that.  LOVES it and makes 'num num num' noises all the way through the meal :D

I'll have a look for muffin recipe for you tomorrow - just about to head to bed :D

So guys ... those of you with older babies ... what are they eating now?  Ang, Berni, Sharon ...
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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #398 on: September 26, 2008, 10:45:28 am »
Hey Andrea

here's the muffin recipe. I'm sure there's an easier way for me to link this but I'm not great at techie stuff:

Broccoli & Cheese Muffins__Makes 12 regular or 24 mini muffins
200g broccoli (1 small - med head)
1 1/2 cups plain yoghurt  (360 ml)
1/4 cup oil (olive or corn or your choice) (50ml)
1 large egg
50g cheese (I use a bit more than 50g – prob nearly double the qty)
2 cups self-raising flour  (225g)
1/2 tsp salt
1/4 cup skimmed milk if required. (50 ml)

Preheat oven to 200 C or 190 for fan ovens. Put rack just below middle of oven.

Cook broccoli (boiled or steamed until tender).

Mix yoghurt, oil & egg well together. Add broccoli and roughly crumble in cheese. Put mixture in food processor and pulse in short bursts until no large pieces of broccoli left. Try not to puree the broccoli but just chop it finely. (I do it all by hand. I chop the broccoli finely on a chopping board and mix everything by hand, Works equally well!)

Put flour & salt in a big bowl and mix together with a fork. Pour in the liquid mixture and begin to fold together. If you think the mixture looks too dry add the extra milk and fold JUST enough to combine. (The key is not to over-mix it - it should look pretty lumpy and unappetizing!)
Spray muffin tins with non-stick spray. Using two spoons divide the mixture evenly between the pans.

Bake for 12/15 minutes or until golden-brown and centres spring back when pressed. Let the muffins cool in the pans for 2-3 minutes before tipping out.

Hey everybody, hope all the lo's are well.  Lewis is pretty much eating everything except the obvious things, nuts etc.  He still chucks things over the highchair though ::)  I spent ages making homemade burgers and he turned his  nose up at them. I was gutted!!
he seems to like spag bol, chilli but not just mince.

We are down to 2 bfs a day now, just morn and night. I was so worried about it and he just doesn't even seem to notice. I seem to worry about everything in advance when there is no need and he just takes it in his stride!

All is well on the eating front but sleeping is another matter. Just about to post about my probs.



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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #399 on: September 29, 2008, 07:22:08 am »
Hey Berni

just wondering how you're getting on with weaning Alice?  Have you started back to work yet?

We are now down to 2 bf a day - no probs at all!

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #400 on: October 02, 2008, 19:11:08 pm »
Loadsa recipes in the http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=95978.msg923143#msg923143 thread :) oh it's good to be back! :D You're all doing so well!

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #401 on: October 03, 2008, 07:39:47 am »
Hey Alison, nice to see you!
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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #402 on: October 05, 2008, 21:44:49 pm »
Hey everyone - hope you and your LOs are all well.

I've been AWOL for a couple of weeks (have I said that already?  ::)) but it seems to have been fairly quiet round here.

Andrea - I did think I'd posted a link to the banana muffin recipe before I 'disappeared' but it doesn't seem to be there . . . here it is just in case you want a sweet muffin as well as a savoury one  ;)

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=95978.45

Sharon - love the sound of the broccoli & cheese muffins, thanks for posting that - I'm going to give them a try.
As far as weaning is going . . . well the big news is that Alice is now weaned  :o We dropped the morning BF and just had the before bedtime one - which I thought was going to be really hard to drop, but I gave her the last one last Saturday and the next night gave her a sippy with milk in and she didn't seem to care. I think I worried about it much more than I needed to - just as everyone said I would, but as a Mum worrying is part of my job description, right?

My concerns are still with the sippy cup as I am still helping Alice to drink . . . just can't quite work out how to put that right. So frustrating as I know she can do it (on average she drinks from it herself once a day :P)

Nic - you asked what the LOs were eating . . . well I still feel like we're in a food rut, but that's probably cos DH and I eat the same 3 or 4 meals in rotation  ::) I am still quite impressed at the amount Alice can eat when she's on form . . .

Here's today's 'intake'
Breakfast: Slice of toast with butter (ate best part of it), 4 mini shredded wheat with milk, banana (milk in sippy)
Snack: Small box of raisins, 10 red grapes, (water in sippy)
Lunch: Two slices of french stick (baked), cheese triangle, (ignored cucumber & tomato!), approx. 20 blueberries (milk in sippy)
Snack: 3-4 Organix rice cakes, (water)
Tea: Scrambled Egg with peas, ham, cheese & tomato, potato rosti, mini banana muffin, sliced peaches in yoghurt (milk in sippy)
Before Bed: more milk in sippy

Am not sure if I'm offering milk too much - but when I was weaning I was advised to offer it with every meal so have continued to do so. I have a vague recollection of someone saying that a LO should be taking a pint of milk a day (inc. dairy) but I still don't think we come close to that.

Also . . . am I right in thinking that I can now give Alice honey as she's over one? I read a post a couple of weeks ago (can't remember if it was Katie or Jocasta . . . or even someone else???) about why LOs couldn't have honey til a certain age - but can't remember if it was one or not? Oooh and what about peanut butter - is that okay for 1 yo too? I know that honey is a love-hate thing - but I adore it on my toast and we've got a gorgeous one with ginger in at the moment - am sure it would make Alice's breakfast toast just a bit more interesting!!

Look forward to hearing what all your LOs are eating at the mo  ;D

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #403 on: October 06, 2008, 21:35:47 pm »
Hi Berni, the 'no honey till 1' thing is about the risk of contracting botulism from something in the honey that under 1s can't defend against - I've never understood how anyone can claim that on the 366th day something changes and babies can do something they couldn't do the day before ::) but that's the guidance! If in doubt, check with your HV.

Peanuts have 2 cautions - allergy risk, and choking (as with all whole nuts) - if you have no family history of peanut or related allergies, then you can introduce peanut products as you would with any new food, if there is a heightened risk, you might want to exercise more caution :-\

A pint of milk/dairy until 2 is the current recommendation :)

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Re: Baby Led Weaning Support Thread - Part 5!
« Reply #404 on: October 07, 2008, 11:37:14 am »
Well, i think i'm going to attempt the baby led weaning this time. My baby is 6 mths old on Wed, but isn't really showing any signs of needing to be weaned.... I'm waiting for her weightgain to plateau and her to start waking up more during the night? Although i'm not sure thats possible! She can go for 7hrs during the day without milk (shes breastfed) but will wake every 2-3 hrs during the night ::)
We've just started getting her into a good sleep routine during the day. Shes been in bed with me till last night. As of last night shes in her cot in her room. (with me in a bed beside her cot for a few nights)

So she is very keen to try and get her hands on anything we're eating though? She has started having some expressed milk in a beaker too and seems to be handling that very well... She can sit up almost unaided. Well she does tend to lean forward sometimes but can right herself is she leans too far. Are there any other signs i should be looking out for? Any hint/tips for me? How/when should i start?

Lou.