5 mo bad napper had a routine now lost ???

[sherry lynn]

I'm not sure Annette - I usually just try to push out the A times a bit. Or every couple of days through in a little nap to try to get back to the regular A time. Since mine have always handled the last A time best, that is usually where I push the most A time. I might add 15 or so to the morning A time and the next A time if I think he can handle it, but usually the last A time gets most of it. (at that age anyways) now I just try to get as close to normal nap time as possible. But if you think OT perpetuates the cycle then that's hard.

[shresmummy]

Thanks for giving me some hope Annette! Another bad night tonight and I too think it has to be teething related. There is no way even my ds could be this unsettled just because of routine related issues. But I am perplexed as to why he needs an extra feed during teething?

He slept nearly 13 hrs last night with lots of nws tho. But that messed up my am nap today. He onlyspt 35 mins! But then 1h10 mins for pm nap that ended at 1:50 an annoying time! I had to do a cn from 4;25-5 and bt at 7:20. We are still having lots of nws and angry sounds! And a full feed now at 9:30 despite a full feed at 6 and a bf to up at bt? What?

Oh and Annette with dd I used To do like a 10 min cn in the car if she woke at 5 am then keep the am nap time the same. But this was bcos she was never able to do long a times before bed at this age.R

Hope everyone is having a good weekend.

[*Kara*]

But I am perplexed as to why he needs an extra feed during teething?

It's a comfort feed   Mine is teething right now at 9 months and has refused breakfast for 4 days in place of an extra bottle... sometimes they refuse bottles/BF cause the sucking hurts, other times they demand more for comfort reasons

[shresmummy]

Just wanted to update on our routine. We have been having a maximum of only 1h10 mins for the am nap and just under 1h for the pm nap for the past few days.

But sometime the pm nap ends at an annoying time like say 1:50. But then he isnt tired enough for a cn around 4 and he refused it again today. But this leaves 4 hrs till a. 5:45 bt after a 1hr nap.

His longer naps are a welcome change but he is no longer doing 1hr20 minaps or even the odd 1h30 min naps.

Do you have any advice ladies, as to how I should get through the day on 2 naps that are of this length?

The nights are another story all together! Still persisting with the early nws end that 9:30 feed. I am not so sure it's teething anymore. Where are these teeth? Its been weeks!

[*Kara*]

Can't help you with the teeth - we have been teething for 5 months... one has come through and GONE BACK DOWN!  ARGH!

The wakings in the early evening are OT related for sure.

Could you post a new EASY? I think he might be in need of an A time increase to get rid of those short naps...

[j.and.e]

We have same! 1hr 15 am nap and flakey pm nap. I usualy do 6pm bt anyway. I try to push naps out so pm nap is close as pos to 2pm, leaving not 2much time 2bed. Xx

[annette.xx]

same boat ladies!! Mine is defo teething related as he has another one just cutting and one at top looks ready to pop!

I have been trying to work with a set naptime of no earlier than 9am for first nap but this has backfired and my usual 1.5 -2 hr napper has gone to 1hr 10 naps and today 2 x 30 min naps! to get to 9am last few days has meant a 3hr A time and it started as a 1hr 10 nap and has gone down to a 30 min nap today! Im sure that I need to cut right back again and scrap the set nap for now but I fear im in for a 5am wake tomorrow so what on earth am I gonna do to get back to a normal bedtime?!!

I think I went wrong today by cutting back the second A after the short first nap - I should have pushed it to as close as possible to normal second naptime cos it would have bought it closer to bedtime but never mind!

we will get there one day!

Annette.xx

[j.and.e]

i remember w. Ds1 we had 5 or 6 mo of lovely set naps at 10 and 2.30, which we got in2 at around 9months. I think i need to push am nap a little. We are stuck in a 6pm-6am (or even 5.45) and cant get bt later. Today he woke before 6, up at 6.15 nap1 9-10.20 then out. Asleep in the car at 1.40 for 20min, then 15min battle at home, then 45min nap 2.15-3 then bt 6 (asleep 6.15). Xx

[*Kara*]

Not very BW of me but when we had a really early wakeup... I figured out a schedule based on the A times she could handle and stuck to it like glue for a week to reset DD's clock.. it was tough, but it worked.  Luckily she is good with OT   We had some 4 hr A times in the morning for a bit... it was rough for a 7 month old   And for mommy!

[shresmummy]

We also seem to be stuck on a 5:45/6 wake up and bt schedule because of these nap lengths. For the past three days he is only having one 55 min nap and another 1h10 min nap. He is refusing a cn of any sort.

This was our easy from today.

Wake 5:45
nap 9:05 - 10. (tried at 8:45 but was jumping around all over the place and acting very weird! So I took him out and bck again in 5 mins he settled better) but he only slept 55 mins and was quite happy when he woke.
'
Nap 12:55 - 2:05 (I tried at 12:35 which was the earliest I could due to ps pickup of dd. Once again he was acting like before the am nap. I thought he might be ot.he eventually fussed and settled. I thought he would short nap but he slept 1h10min.

But I ran into the same problem again. An awkward wake up time. I tried my luck to ap a cn at 4ish but obviously he wasn't interested. So I had no choice but tokeep him up till 5:45.

He fell asleep very well.but the usual story with nws. Horrendous! He has woken now every 30 or 40 min. Then at 8:45 up until 9:15 he wreaked havoc until I gave up and fed him.he took a full feed again.

What do you think I should try tomorrow?

J and e,I also remember with dd I used to have a similar set nap time around 9 months.

Kara I had no idea teeth can go back in! Thats so hard! Hugs to you!

Oh I also forgot to mention I calculated he is 33 weeks today.

[shresmummy]

I just wanted to add there is something about that 9:15 pm feed that He has re demanding the past couple of weeks. He is so much better settled after that. Hehasbeen sleeping without any wakings for the past 1h40 mins now after the feed. Whereas he was waking every 40 mins up until 9. He has a full feed before bt at 5:45. And a few weeks ago he would go till 11 without a feed in between. Now he screams the house down if you don't feed at 9:15/9:30.

I am totally confused!

[shresmummy]

Before I forget, I just wanted to put down our day today.

Wake 6ish I think
nap 9:10-10:30 (i tried at 9 but he was looking around. So I took him out and back in again in 10 mins and he settled quickly and slept 1h20mins)

nap 1:20ish-2 (i think this was an UT nap. he was rubbing his eyes at 12:50 but I thought after what was a good am nap for him I should at least try 3hrs before the pm nap. He was ok after a few eye rubs at 12:50. He settled quickly at 1:20 but woke after 40 mins. he was happyish so I don't think he was OT)

But he refused a cn of all sorts again and finally only settled at 6:10pm. YIKES! But funnily his night has been better than the past few nights. Only 1 wakeing at 7:50 then at 9:30 to feed and he is asleep again.

Do all these signs from today point to a need to increase A time again? what should I do if his pm nap is short but he refuses a cn as he as been the past 3 days. Just push along until 6PM? I am also noticing that he seems to want a 12 hr day nowadays rather than a 11something hr day which is what it was a few weeks ago.

[*Kara*]

I would start by increasing his first A time a bit... If 3 hrs 10 min didn't get a 90 min nap, he can be up longer.  I would try for 3 hrs 20 min and then put him down... If he naps longer than 90 mins, you are gold!  Then a second A time could be the same, but I would watch, sometimes they will last longer for the second block of time than the first, could be up to 3 hr 30 min.  Then hopefully you get a good second nap and can eliminate the CN.

With an angel baby though, you could push along without worrying too much about OT - they handle it fairly well

[shresmummy]

Hi ladies hope you had a good weekend. I just wanted to update...

Most days now we are doing between 3hrs to 3hr15 min A time and he is now 33 weeks old.nap lengths vary from 1 hr anywhere upto 1 hr 20 mins. And the day muddles along somehow and I guess I have just accepted we may never get delicious 1.5 hr naps.

 But it's the nights that I am still struggling with especially with the early bedtimes such as 5:45 pm. I am thinking of starting a new post in the night wakings section. I would love it if you could pop on there too. You all have helped me so much!!

[*Kara*]

Call me crazy, but I would push his first A time to 3 hr 30 mins to see if it gets you that nice 90 min nap

I really noticed crazy A time increases between 6 and 8 months... I know a few other moms have as well.  Seems that they are able to stay awake so much longer until they start to crawl to wear themselves out again.  Mine can do an A time anywhere from 3 hrs to 4.5 hrs... just depends on the day really!