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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2012, 07:41:57 am »
I would say if that's working then stick with it!! If you try to get 2 naps in you might just mess things up. I wish mine would do that sort of routine,lol! She wakes up at 6 though so no chance.



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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2012, 21:12:18 pm »
I would leave him be with one nap if he is refusing a PM nap now hun.  That said, his A times are quite short for his age and he gets as much sleep as a newborn does ;)  If it works for him, leave it alone ;)



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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2012, 07:58:27 am »
my lo is 15 months now and really needs one nap- resisting 2 naps, so we have been trying  1 nap for almost 2 weeks and its a disaster! she will sleep for 45 min, an hour if im lucky, and wake earlier then her usual wak up time in the am!! any advice

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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2012, 10:53:43 am »
Hello-

I have not been on these boards in so long! A is now 16 months. We have been at this 2:1 transition since he was around 9 months, and I think we are finally getting to the end - yay.

He is really just about ready for one nap, I would say 75% of our days are 1 nap days. But we are REALLY struggling with an undertired/overtired cycle, and timing of these naps.

He has been waking consistently at 6 or earlier the past few weeks, no matter what time he goes to bed. I think he slept until 7 once or twice. Also on one nap days, his naps have only just started getting longer than 2 hours, which is all making me more confused.

Our one nap days look like this:

W: 6
S: I was doing 12, and he would sleep until 2. Any earlier and he would wake before 2 and be overtired by 630. Now that his nap is stretching out, he has been going in closer to 1130.
W: 2/230
BT: 615

A has always needed very early bedtimes. But even though he is exhausted by 615, it is often taking him an hour or more to fall asleep (I'm guessing OT), and he still wakes up very early the next day.

I was doing a 2 nap day here and there to catch up on sleep. But now when he takes any sort of nap in the morning, even 20 minutes, he cannot take a second nap until very late in the day. If he naps from 930-950, he will not be tired again until like 230 or 3. I cannot let his sleep more then 30 minutes if he goes down that late. He then ends up either OT or UT at bedtime.

I am so confused. I think he is ready for 1 nap, but I don't see how he can get enough sleep currently. Yesterday he slept from 1215-245. We put him to bed at 630, and he did not fall asleep until close to 8. He was up at 6 this morning.

What am I doing wrong?

TIA

ETA: I just wanted to add  that most of the times when he is awake in his crib and not falling asleep, he is talking/yelling happily/playing. We are thankfully not dealing with hours of crying, but whether OT or UT he just will not fall asleep.
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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2012, 12:04:24 pm »
Amom - I'm really not sure :-\  My DD2 also waked up at 6am no matter what the bedtime. Perhaps given a bit more time he'll lengthen nap or start sleeping more at night naturally?

Shirat - similar problem here. I'm trying short am, long pm nap, but pm ends up being 45mins and I can't seem to lengthen it ::)

Does anyone have any advice for this? She has about 3.5hrs A, a 30 min nap, then I'm trying for 2.5hr A before 2nd nap. But she wakes up after only 45mins. Its usually about 1.15 when she wakes up so a long long way from BT!!

Any ideas?



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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2012, 12:41:54 pm »
Becky, I'd push the second A to 2hr45 ;) You really don't want that one being UT - they're almost impossible to extend!

Amom, are you sure he's not UT at bedtime?  If he's up from a 2.5hr nap at 2.45, I wouldn't have thought he'd be ready for bed at 6.30  :-\ But he probably ends up OT if it takes him so long to settle and then he does a short night.
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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2012, 12:44:07 pm »
Becky- we did a short am, Long pm nap for a while. I like the 30 minute nap length for the morning. I used to do the 30 minute am nap at 930 no matter when he woke up. He usually wakes around 6, so that was a 3.5 hour A. But I found that ds was not ready for a second nap until at least 3 hours later. 45 minutes is generally a sign of under tired, so I would try lengthening that second A time to at least 3 hours and see what happens. I could usually get a nice 1.5-2 hour nap after a 3-3.5 hour A.

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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2012, 12:45:54 pm »
Papaya- what time would you suggest putting him down if he wakes up at 245? I love his early bedtimes so it's hard for me to let go of them... If the long naps continue, I may try to make it a little earlier in the day.

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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2012, 13:27:40 pm »
I'd be aiming for him to be asleep at 7.30, so perhaps down at 7.15. If he's more ready for bed, he should settle much faster. But I'd hope this would mean a longer night and more like a 6.15/30 WU, as his first A is quite long atm and you don't want his day to be too long.
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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2012, 13:38:27 pm »
looks like we are headed for a 2 nap day anyway...its 930 and he cannot stop rubbing his eyes. Hopefully he will get a nice second nap as well.

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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2012, 21:30:35 pm »
Amom - I agree with Nuala 12000%.  He is UT at BT and then faffs about until he is OT and does a short night.  He wakes up OT the next morning and you are pushing too far for the first A time.  And the cycle continues :)

Have you tried this:

Wake 7am
Nap 1230-230pm
BT 730pm

This would be a fairly average routine for his age.

Also, at his age, allowing a morning CN after a short night only reinforces the EWing.  I would push as far as you can and put down no earlier than 1130am.



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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2012, 21:34:45 pm »
Thank you Kara. Yeah I agree that I am probably enforcing the habit by giving him those morning cat naps and i think that is my major mistake.

If I could get him to sleep until 7 am, even just one morning, I feel I would have a better shot at getting back on track. Because with him waking up at 6, he can barely make it past 11 am, and if he wakes at 1 pm, I can not keep him up until a decent bedtime. I feel like I am almost there...

thanks again, I am going to try sticking with one nap for a few days and see what happens. Today we had a babysitting issue, so he has only had 2 30 minute naps. Either he will give us a long night, and I can start over tomorrow, or he will wake super OT...we will see!

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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2012, 03:02:08 am »
I have totally been there!  I did a 1215pm nap off of a 545am wakeup this week ;)



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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2012, 04:17:14 am »
Help! Now to add to the short naps S has shifted her wake up time from 6 to 5.30  ::). She must be  really OT and I am too! What can I do?! (oh and this is in addition to a few NWs)



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Re: Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2012, 10:07:34 am »
Yup Kara- looks like a 530 wake up today. Should I give him a 6 hour A until 1130? I guess I should because if I let him sleep 30 minutes in the AM there's a chance he won't sleep well in the afternoon.