Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22

[oliversmommy]

We went for the EBT, FX for a good night!

Trinity - sending you lots of hugs, hope you get some peaceful nights/later WUs soon!!!

[trinity33]

Oh well, same Wu time as last few days, so yesterday,

Wu 5.20
9.20-9.40 nap
12.45-2.30 nap
7.15 bt
5.15 Wu

Nursery said he woke from pm nap cos of poop, so will try the same routine today but hope he sleeps a bit longer, as we had a bt shout out after 45 mins

Jingmommy, fx for you on the one nap and ebt, hope you have a good night. Xx

[*Kara*]

Trinity - I think it might be time to start the move to one nap hun... but what time is the earliest you can do BT?  He is right at that point where nights are short so that he can get two naps in... overall, his sleep total is likely less than it would be on one nap... I know it seems early, but DD was 11 months, 1 week   He is doing almost 3 hrs of A time on 20 mins... that's pretty good!

Oliversmommy - hope he had a good night!  i would have done BT at 630/645pm

[oliversmommy]

Trinity, sorry to hear that DS is still waking so early, I hope he starts sleeping in soon! 

We had a pretty good night - BT at 6:30, DS was asleep by 6:40, he woke around 9:30 but self settled within 20 min, cried out at 5 am, then up for the day at 6:00 am.  (Any WU at 6 or later is okay w/ me!)  His first nap today was only 1 hr 15 so definitely a 2 nap day.  I'm guessing we won't see another one nap day for a little while, and then they'll gradually increase in frequency . . .

Thanks again Kara for your help yesterday!

[trinity33]

After a 20 am nap and long, 2.40 pm nap we're back to a pre 5 Wu    so fed up of this
Kara I think you're right we need to get to one nap just don't seem to be able to get there

Over that last month we have had a few times that for 3 days 1 nap days have worked but then Wu times got earlier so had to go back to 2 naps and often even earlier Wu.    Not helped by the fact we don't get back from nursery until 6.15 in the week.

So yesterday was

Wu 5.20
9.15-9.35
1.20-4- woke by nursery
7.10 bt,  went to sleep immediately (first time in a week, although cooler tonight too )
Shout out 9.30
Wu 4.50

I'm really reluctant to do another 20 min long pm day. Heeeeeeelp! 

[trinity33]

Bit of an update to the day......it's not going well.

decided to try and get him to do a long nap at 11 and then super ebt (as it's the weekend). Wasn't showing tired signs in lead up to nap (despite huge A time) but fell asleep during his bottle, so guess he was shattered. But....woke up screaming at 50 mins, really inconsolable.......gave him some calpol as I can see molar trying to break surface but there was no chance of getting him back to sleep, so really feel that todays's a right off and I have no idea what to do next.  In the past he has done long sleeps at 11 after a very early start...........

WU from nap at 11.50 after a 9.50 hour night  I've got to go and get some groceries in a bit, so I'm hoping he has a nap in the car on the way back and then ebt....? If he does nap this afternoon do I cap it to preserve ebt? How long??? What time ebt??? arrgggh I hate this. 

[trinity33]

Hi ladies

so today ended up as

wu 4.50
nap 11-11.50
nap in car 3.20-3.50 - i woke so we could still do ebt - figured i couldn't let him have a full sleep cycle to do this???dunno if that was right or not
bt 6.45 - put down at 6.30

we've had 2 nw so far after 45 mins and 2 hours

Any ideas for tomorrow???

[*Kara*]

Bless that wee mite!  Such a trooper!

I think you are right to do the one long nap with early BT... for now, I would just push to one nap as best you can... have nursery put him down around 11am and let him sleep as long as he likes - only wake if he hits the 3 hr mark.  He might drop off in the car going home but that would just push BT a touch... Shoot for BT at 7/730pm unless he steals a CN in the car, then push to 730/8pm.

As for the molar - curse those buggers!  I would actually suggest giving him ibuprofen... calpol takes about 45 mins to take effect and really isn't great for teething pain as it has no effect on the swelling aspect - the swelling is quite awful with molars...  ibuprofen will work in about 20 mins and last about 5 hrs (as opposed to 3-4 for calpol).  And since we know that molar is causing issue, give it to him for his nap and see if he sleeps better for it.

[trinity33]

Hi kara, thanks for the advice.  yeah he is a little trouper, love him.
Ok so better night, Wu at 5.30, so slept 10.45 hours, which is pretty good for him.
Just to check, if he only does a short sleep at 11 would you do a pm cn like yesterday, or just try and push through to ebt at 6.30?
Also on nursery days the car ride is only 10-15 mins, so is it better to keep him awake with nursery rhymes then do v quick bath, bottles, bed? Or sleep 5-10 mins and slightly later bt?

Thanks so much!

Update - gave him ibruprofen before nap and fell asleep instantly at 11.10 for 2.45 hours! Fell asleep instantly for bed at 6.50...and we've made it though the one hour mark.....so great day on paper! keeping everything crossed for a late morning wu. Thanks for your help. would still be good to get your thoughts on the above - just in case it all goes haywire at nursery tomorrow ;-)

[kthow3]

Could use some advice... Friday my LO woke at 6:50, first nap from 9:25-11:00 and actually took a second nap! First time in 3 weeks (though it took an hour for him to fall asleep)!  Anyways, he slept from 3:15-3:45 when I woke him and was SUPER crabby until 6:00 BT.  He woke at 7:00 the next morning, then slept from 9:30-12:15!  We only did one nap yesterday.  Woke at 7:10 this morning, first nap from 9:40-11:20.  We are now attempting a second nap, which does not look promising at this point (started trying at 3:45).  It's almost as though he needs an entire hour to fall asleep for the afternoon naps... We have tried pretty much all wakeful period lengths (short, long, etc.) and today just went by when he started to get fussy.  Nothing works!  Not sure what to do at this point and how to proceed.  Should I continue putting him down about 3 hours after the first nap ends to give him a shot at a second nap, or just skip it all together?  He doesn't cry in his crib for that hour, just talks/fusses occasionally.  He has been pretty happy the past few days, which has been nice!  Any advice?  Thanks! 

[aussiemum85]

posted here earlier, cause bubs was staying awake long enough, but then got sick and A time didnt go back out. Cause he recently stopped his reflux, so he has more playtime and got tired. But yesterday he didnt want to take his 2nd. Tried panadol, some milk, sssh/pat, even taking him for walk in pram. And day before it toke him 30mins to go to sleep for 2nd nap, then only napped for about 40mins. Does this mean he is ready?? His A time is about 4hrs. He sleeps 11-12hrs during the night and goes down for his 1st nap fine. I just thought it would take time for him to get down to not taking his 2nd nap, cause that it what he did with3-2 transition.

[oliversmommy]

Trinity - Glad to hear the ibruprofen is working!  Hope your day went well today.

Welcome aussiemum and kthow - I don't have advice for you as I am a newbie here, but can offer support and hugs during this crazy transition!

So we had an interesting couple of days - yesterday I changed up LO's routine a bit - I decided that since his A times were getting longer, I should try nursing before naps (like 1/2 hr before) instead of after, and then do solids after naps to space his "meals" out a bit.  Yesterday started out great - he napped for 2 hr 20 min after a 4 hr 35 min A time.  I put him to bed at 6:30 after a 5 hr 20 min A time - long I know but I was afraid an earlier BT would mean a super early WU (DS has only slept longer than 11 hr 30 min 1-2x in his life).  Unfortunately it took him until 7 pm to fall asleep - he was obviously OT, poor thing, and I felt horrible keeping him up so late.  Then today he dozed off while nursing before his AM nap (I guess I should have gone for a shorter A time), which apparently gave him a bit of a second wind b/c he then refused to fall asleep for his nap.  So I eventually got him out of his crib and tried an hour later, and only got a 40 min nap.  Then I APOP'd a 35 min CN in the stroller to fit in a 2nd nap before BT.  He seemed tired and fussy all day - I guess those one nap days really take it out of him, even if he is getting the same total amt of day sleep as his two nap days.

So here's what I'm thinking - the next time DS takes a 2+ hr long nap after a 4.5+ hr A time, I try an EBT (like 6 pm), and then if he wakes early (say 5 am), I put him down for his first nap a little UT (by shortening the A time by 15 min or so) so he takes a shorter nap (less than 2 hrs) and therefore can fit in a PM CN and have a later BT, so hopefully he wakes up later the next morning.  Do you think that sounds ok???  I'm just really fearful of getting in a cycle where BT and then WU get earlier and earlier.  I figure if our one nap days are short and our two naps days are long, then we'll keep WUs from getting too early.  What do you guys think???

[oliversmommy]

Yikes - didn't realize my previous post got so long!

However I have even more to say:

I forgot to mention that DS has been crying out around 5 am every morning for the past couple of weeks or so - he always goes back to sleep and wakes for the day b/t 6-6:40 am, however I am afraid that an EBT will cause him to get enough sleep that he doesn't fall back asleep at 5 am (which is way too early to start our day!)  I'm going back to work in a week and I have to get my shower in before he wakes - my plan is to get up at 5:45 to shower, in case DS wakes at 6 - any earlier than that and I am screwed!

[*Kara*]

I forgot to mention that DS has been crying out around 5 am every morning for the past couple of weeks or so - he always goes back to sleep and wakes for the day b/t 6-6:40 am, however I am afraid that an EBT will cause him to get enough sleep that he doesn't fall back asleep at 5 am

More than likely, this is OT related, not UT hun...   Could just be his little body getting a bit OT with the longer A times - very common unfortunately.

As for the switching between 1 and 2 nap days - it can be good, or it can really mess things up horribly... depends on the LO and how adaptable they are with sleep

Also on nursery days the car ride is only 10-15 mins, so is it better to keep him awake with nursery rhymes then do v quick bath, bottles, bed? Or sleep 5-10 mins and slightly later bt?

Better to keep him awake and then PD ASAP when you get home... sometimes a 10 min CN can push BT back a couple of hours as bubs gets a second wind... night sleep is the most restorative

kthow3 - can your LO manage a 4.5 hr A time?  If not, you are not ready to do one nap at all... To make the move, LO needs to have the ability to sail through 4 hrs and then be pushed a touch to get to 4.5 hrs... then another 5 hrs after the nap...   Look at the FAQ page... there are a few things about the start of the 2-1... options on short AM/long PM are your best bet

[jingmommy]

Hi, Oliversmommy, I'm also stuck with one-nap and two-nap days.  Here is what I do.
WU 7am/7:30am - one-nap day, nap at 11:30am or 11:45am.  If nap is shorter than 2hrs, then EBT.
WU 6am/6:30am - two-nap day, 4h A-->15mins am nap-->2h45mins A-->pm nap, normal BT.

So far we swtiched to one nap for a week only and EBT almost every day.  Her WU is still 7/7:30am though.  Yesterday I heard her at 5ish and pretty sure she started to play at 6am.  She was fussy all day even though she has two good naps(15mins am+2.5hrs pm nap).  I put her to bed at 7pm but it took her 30mins to fall asleep.  Today she woke up at 6:30am.  Should be a two-nap day, but I forgot to tell nanny the plan so ended up with one nap now.  Don't know the result till couple of hours later.  Finger crossed for a long nap!!
I won't consider CN in the late afternoon cus it seems more likely to cause resistance at BT based on the stories I read in these threads here.  EBT may be a better idea for me even though that means I won't be able to see her and read the BT story after work.  Anyway, just my 2 cents.  

Trinity, how's your day?  Hope you have a later WU.