Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22

[willywinki]

That makes perfect sense when you say it Papaya, why can't i figure that out myself  He eventually fell asleep at 2.20 and slept for 45 mins only, so worked out as 4hrs 10min 2nd A time. Will try the 15/20 min capped am nap next time, but will try 1 nap day again tomorrow.

[trinity33]

Thanks Papaya

Oh dear didn't do a morning catnap so it was a looong looong day for him

WU 4.30
nap 11.30-1.30
bt 6.45

He did cry more than normal at bt so I had to do a reset, but has been asleep 2 hours so far so fx we get away with the OT. Guess just have to see how tonight goes and tomorrows wu time. If he has a more reasonable wu would you try and stick to the same sort of plan?

Thanks so much, you are doing a great job of keeping us all on track  

[jingmommy]

I plan to follow Papaya's suggestion to give 3hr second A after a 30mins cap nap but this just won't work today.  Just called nanny and found that DD slept for 50mins in the morning because nanny fell asleep, too!  guess this will totally ruin her pm nap.  Really upset!
So how long second A time Should I give her after 50mins nap?  3.5hr or 4hr?  Will be lucky if she can sleep for an hour in the afternoon.  
So her day looks like this today
WU 6:30AM
Nap 1 10-10:50
Nap 2 2:20or 2:50  
BT 7:30pm or move it earlier if nap 2 is only 1 hour or shorter  

Last nigt turned out ok because she only woke up once in the first hour although it took me 30 mins to resettle her(tks for Trinity's wish!).  Still think we can do better because again she woke up crying this morning.  I really miss those good mornings when she woke up happily....

[Papaya]

Trinity, if the WU is pre-6am I would do a catnap. It must be tough when 6.45 is the earliest bt you can do - EBT was our saviour during this transition! Perhaps on the weekend you can do a super early bt and try to get him caught up with a really long night   I have to say though, he's managing the OT pretty well during the day if he's still doing 2hr naps.

Jingmommy, this might be too late for you - but I think a 4hr A. And I would possibly cap the pm nap at an hour anyway, or I think you'll have trouble getting her to bed because of UT. I wouldn't do this everyday (cap both naps) but as a one-off it's ok.

[jingmommy]

Tks Papaya!  This is just in-time .  Just called nanny to put her down for pm nap after 2:30pm but not later than 2:50pm depending on DD's cue and wake her up by 4pm.  If she can have a complete sleep cycle, I'll have BT at 7:30pm.  If not, move the BT ealier.  Make sense?

[Papaya]

yes, I'd certainly have her up by 4 if you want her in bed at 7.30. Hope she agrees with the plan!

[oliversmommy]

Hi ladies,
Quick question - what do you do if LO takes a short PM nap after a short AM nap?  DS took a 35 min AM nap yesterday, and a 40 min PM nap after 3 hrs A time, so I tried for EBT but got a super early wu this morning.  Just had another 35 min AM nap today - if I put him down again after 3 hrs A time and he short naps again, then do I try for another EBT (and risk an even earlier wu???)  How do I get out of this cycle???  Do you think I should try for a 3rd 10-15 min CN so I don't have to do an EBT or will that mess things up more???  (DS is almost 10 mos and has been on 2 naps for ~ 2 mos)  Help!!!

[*Kara*]

oliversmommy - you need to increase the time before that second nap - he is UT and short napping   I would do 3 hrs 15 mins for a couple of days to see if that fixes it for you   If not, move to 3 hrs 30 mins.

I would avoid the 3rd nap and use an EBT but not too early!

[trinity33]

Hiya

Oh well today didn't go to plan.

nw 4 ish for a few mins
wu 5.10 (not great but better than yesterday)
nap 11.15 - 12.45 - only 1.30 booo
Nursery tried to get him to take a cn but he just screamed. Then rocked him in buggy for 30 mins - still no sleep
He then fell asleep in the car on the way home 5.50-6.pm
Decided to still do early bt and could here him moving around for about 20 mins but then fell asleep without crying.  He's made it past the one hour mark so hopefully not OT.

After the few days where he has had a long after lunch nap seems to be the days we get the 4.15/4.30 wu, so I'm really wary of reintroducing the morning cn as it pushes his 'big' sleep later.  But if he won't take a cn in the pm after an earlier long nap.......really long afternoon.

What do you think? I'm tempted to just keep pushing the 11.00 bottle and nap routine for a few days, but I don't know if we are just going to get into tricky water 

[*Kara*]

Hugs hun!  I would reinstate a AM CN for a few days to help with the OT... that is way too long of an A time for his age in the morning. 

[trinity33]

Hi Kara, thanks for replying.  We were down to 30 mins morning nap and 1.45 bottle and sleep for pm, where he was often sleeping til 4. But then we started getting earlier and earlier wakings and had some nap refusals and problems at bt. Hence starting to try the one nap move, but doing 2 naps on some days. How long a morning cn do you think we should try? If I was to do an earlier long morning nap say 10.30 and then try a pm cn, do you think this would work? Or is that just going to reinforce the ew?  Bless him he stays super happy whilst he's up!

[Papaya]

Trinity, how about a 20 min cn at 9.40, and nap at 12/12.30? (if my LO were OT she'd only do 2hrs after a 20  min cn, if not OT a bit more).

[RebekahDSC]

Thanks so much for the replies and support, Ladies! It's kind of comforting in a strange way to see so many other people going through the same thing.  This 2-1 sure is a tough one!  So here's the big question of the day: Should I make the switch to short am/long pm nap while we are on vacation?  I'm guessing probably not, but we had big problems today with fighting the pm nap so it's kind of tempting. We are visiting family and DD is mega-over-stimulated which just makes the nap situation ten times worse!  Yesterday flying here was awful because we had a couple of delayed flights that led to a super, super late pm nap (an hour and forty min though!) on the plane AND a late bedtime.  She actually did really well last night, even sleeping through the night, but it was only like 9 hours, because of course she still woke at 5am! (well, 6am here because of the time change)  Anyhow, her am nap was STILL just UNDER an hour and a half (doesn't she need to make up the missed sleep somewhere?  Or did the long pm nap on the plane yesterday do that?).  She fought the pm nap for an hour until I decided to APOP () and hold her until she fell asleep.  Ugh!  So what do you think?  Should we make the switch here or wait until we are home?  And how should we handle the 2-1 while we are dealing with the craziness of being on vacation as well?  I'm going crazy!   

Thank you so much for any advice!

[jingmommy]

Hi, Rebekah, I have no experience on vacationing with LO, but I read somewhere in this website saying that just relax, follow your routine as much as possible, and enjoy your vacation.  Do adjustment for LO's routine when you're back to home.  If LO does not nap well during the day, I'd aim for an early BT then.  We'll be traveling by end of this month to celebrate our 4th anniversary and DD's birthday.  Things will be less complicated for us because we won't have time difference, but am still worried because we haven't find the perfect fit for am/pm nap and DD doesn't nap long in car.  Anyway, I'm repeating this to myself every day, "just relax"!

Last night was ok with one 30mins NW in the 1st hour.  Not sure she was waken by the stupid noise in the kitchen made by other family member or due to OT (only got 50mins am nap and 1hr pm nap).  She woke up happily at 6:45am!  Good!  So today I specifically asked the nanny to control the am nap(30mins) and 2nd A time (3hrs) and hope for the best.  Finger crossed!

[*Kara*]

Trinity, how about a 20 min cn at 9.40, and nap at 12/12.30? (if my LO were OT she'd only do 2hrs after a 20  min cn, if not OT a bit more).

^^^ THis