Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22

[RebekahDSC]

Ugh, so sorry about the ew, Trinity! FX for you the nap works out!

We decided to take the plunge today.  She woke at 6am, so we pushed the first A time to 5 hours and put her down for her (hopefully only) nap at 11am. She slept for 1 hr, 52 min (didn't I hear somewhere that was OT?) So, now I'm trying to decide whether to try for a CN later on (and hope she doesn't refuse, making her A time to bed WAY too long AGAIN if she does refuse) or go straight for a REALLY early bt, which never works out SUPER well but might help some. What do you Ladies think? And should we push that first A even more tomorrow? 

[jingmommy]

Rebeka, I would go for slightly EBT.  We had about the same length of nap yesterday and she showed sleepy cue around 1hr before normal BT.  So I put her down 20~30mins earlier and she slept pretty well last night.  No NWs, but not sure the WU time this morning as the sound of rain was pretty loud to cover all other sounds. 
But....nanny just called saying that DD only napped less than 1hr:(  Am struggling if I can leave early today to do EBT.

[trinity33]

Rebekah - sorry might be too late with this post, but I agree with Jingmommy, I would also do a slightly early nap as I've also read somewhere that 1.20 and 1.50 are ot times when on one nap. Hope you have an ok night

Jingmommy: yay to the good night. Boo to the bust nap. Do you think it was discomfort that work her?

Well yesterday didn't go to plan but actually turned out ok:

wu 4.45 - quietly chatting in crib for 1 hour - shouting and mantra crying for last 15 before going back to sleep
6.00-6.20 back to sleep
6.30 get up

11-11.55 nap - do you think this was ot or ut?

I then said to nursery to pd for a cn at around 3/3.15 but cap at an 30 mins tops, but they let him sleep for an hour! 2.55-3.55

I thought this was going to give us big problems at bt, but it wasn't too bad. Fell asleep independantly at 7.45 - but it did mean a massively long day. Shout out at 4am and then wu at 5.40.

It does seem over the last week that we've had better nights after a pm cn. I've asked nursery to pd at 11 again and let him sleep as long as he likes and offer a cn at 3.15, but don't push it if he isn't interested and to make sure it's capped at 30 mins, so I can still do a reasonable bt.  I'm wondering if this is a better tack for us for te moment as the short am/long pm doesn't seem to work for us anymore and he can't seem to follow the 'rules' (tee hee I know I know) and tack sleep on after an ebt. Then if we start getting some later wu we then try and push the 1st nap time out. What do you think? Does anyone else have any experience of this approach working? Or am I just prolonging the transition - we seem to have been in it for 2 months already now - urrrggh.

 
What do you think???

[RebekahDSC]

Jingmommy - Good luck with bedtime! Hope you get a good night!

Trinity - Sending hugs your way!  Looks like we are kind of in the same boat!   


Thanks for the replies, Ladies.   I didn't get your replies in time, but that's what we did - EBT of 6:00 and cross our fingers for a decent night.  So yesterday looked like ths:

WU 6:00 (after NOT a good night - short, with a long night waking probably due to constipation, but nights have tended to not be great
                in general lately so we took the plunge today anyway)
Nap 11:02-12:54 (usually her first A time is 4 hours and 25-30 min but we pushed it today to 5 hours to try and get a longer nap hoping for a
                             one-nap-day. As you can see, we got a one hour and 52 min nap.  I've found that when she takes a really short nap, like 35
                             minutes, and she needs more sleep I can sometimes re-settle, but if she has already slept more than an hour I'm not usually
                             successful at re-settling so I didn't even try.  Do you think I should?)
Refused PM Nap (originally I was hoping for a one-nap day with a 2-3 hour one nap, but since she didn't quite even make 2 hours for that nap, I
decided to offer a PM nap just in case she might take it.  I figured she would probably refuse and I was right, she did.  Maybe  she would have accepted had I offered it earlier as she was showing tired signs way early but I was too chicken and waited until the normal time and she got a second wind by the time I offered it)
BT 6:00 (Decided to go for an EBT  Put her down at 5:55. Lately she always fights BT at least a little, but at least tonight it wasn't very long!)

I'm worried she is OT after all the craziness lately.  She has gone back to rubbing her eyes during the day like she used to and waking at night, too.

She had a night-waking at 1:10 and then woke for the day at 4:45.  Sometimes I wonder if she's even capable of a 12 hours or longer night!!!  Now I'm trying to decide how to handle today.  I don't see how we could try for one nap since the day started so early and that would make bt REALLY, REALLY early so tomorrow would probably start even earlier.  But stretching out the day with a 45 min short am/long pm makes for A LOT of A time in a day and she is already OT.  I'm thinking about trying the 20 min am/long pm again but that will still make for an EBT and we also don't really know the correct A times for that.  I don't know... how would you suggest handling today?

[RebekahDSC]

HELP!!!!! We decided to try for a super early BT like 4:30pm tonight as I'd had suggested to me awhile back for getting out of extreme OT.  We figured the best way to do this since her day started so early (4:45am) was to do a 20min am nap/long pm nap day.  So we gave her 3 hours A time this morning, a 20 min am nap, 3 hours A time after that, and a "long nap." But she only slept for a little under an hour!!! She was babbling when she got up!  So does that mean UT?  Now we are trying to decide whether to really go for the super EBT and how early.  I am so confused and our routine is pretty much completely out the window right now.  I am scared to death to do the super, super early bedtime and super long night thing now that I am starting to question whether she really is extremely OT and, if not, that could mean a 2:00am awake for the day tomorrow.  She has been happy for the most part, but she is rubbing her eyes like crazy these last few days!!! And she just won't sleep hardly at all! Just to clarify, here's today thus far:

4:45 Woke up, tried to get her back to sleep until 4:55
7:55-8:15 let sleep for 20 min
11:20ish-12:15ish Hoping for a "long nap," but wouldn't even sleep for an hour!

Now what?!?! It's still so early and she has already had 2 naps! I'm so lost!  Should we go for the super-early 4:30pm-ish BT and hope for an awesome, long night? Or something else entirely?  I am just so confused and discouraged!!! 

[trinity33]

Oh hun, not really sure what to suggest tbh, but sending lots of hugs.  Have also heard that 55 min is an ot nap, so think poss still ot rather than ut - although the happy wu could mean ut.

Gosh 4.30 that is ebt....dunno that I would be brave enough...but then again my LO doesn't get the whole tacking on thing.

sorry I'm not being any help 

[KimMackay]

Finally got my internet back after 3 days...ahhhhhhhh.  I've been dying to get on here....such a bad week.

I don't know if this has been due to teeth, due to cold, due to OT, UT...or what.  We've been seriously struggling this week.  He's suddenly struggling for his naps.  He's been doing 3.5 A's in the morning for close to a month....and now it seems as though he's extremely OT??  He's been falling asleep okay (still on me) but then lots of twitches and movement within the first 20 min.  A few days ago...he woke up after 20 minutes for his AM and would not go back to sleep.  He tried....but just couldn't get there.  THEN...he did a 25 min nap in the PM (with a shorted A time) and same thing....tried to go back to sleep but couldn't.  So then HUGE BT battle because severely OT....cried for over an hour.  I tried to get him down for a super EBT to make up for the day...but with all the crying it backfired.  Only slept a 10 hour night   He usually does a 10.5 when OT and 10.45 - 11 on a good day. 

For the naps that have been successful this week...I've had to rock in my chair the entire nap.  This is something I never do....but every time I sat still he started to squirm.

What the heck is going on???  He is getting 2 teeth right now and has had a runny nose.  No other symptoms though....so the nose could just be from the teeth.  He's never acted like this though.  Today was okay...1 hr AM nap and 45 min PM...but he was also drugged.

Don't know what to do with him.  He handled his middle 4 A time just fine today....so why the 20 min AM nap after 3.5? He's always had a shorter first A time.

[ZacsMumme]

Rebekah I would have gone fr an EBT ie 5.30 given that lunch nap was almost an hour. How did you go?
Kim, teething messes sleep up big time. Hae you tried medicating before the nap? X

[jingmommy]

Rebekah, agreed with Sara.  Your LO might resist BT at 4:30pm.  We had short nap here as well and she resist EBT which is an hour earlier than normal BT.
WU 6:45am
Nap 11:10~12:00
BT 5:30pm, but played with herself in the crib and didn't fall asleep till 7pm!!
 
I'm thinking to push her morning A to 5hrs as she keeps shortening her nap.  Can't make up my mind because in the past month we haven't had any 2hr+ nap.  What do you ladies think?

Trinity, hope we can all get out of this crazy loop ASAP!!

KM, I think it's better to help your LO to learn independent sleep.  I'm saying this to myself as well.   I don't need to rock or hold my LO to fall asleep but I can't get out of her room so far.  She still needs someone in the room to fall asleep and this is killing nanny and me during this crazy transition especially when it takes her so long to fall asleep.  Things are harder for me because most of the time I can't come back from work in time for BT and nanny can't stand baby cry at all... So the real independent sleep is a long way for us.  Besides, there is another 3 month old baby (my nephew) in the same house and I'm afraid the independent training will disturb another baby in sleep.   So I highly suggest you do independent sleep training for your LO if possible. 

[KimMackay]

ZacsMumme...I have, but I feel like I've been medicating all week and I hate that.  I try to give breaks...skip a night here and skip a day there.  We had a pretty good day yesterday....1hr AM nap and 45 min PM nap...but I think that was totally related to the drugs.  AND...he still only slept 10h40.  I haven't got an 11 hour night now in over a week  

[trinity33]

It does seem over the last week that we've had better nights after a pm cn. I've asked nursery to pd at 11 again and let him sleep as long as he likes and offer a cn at 3.15, but don't push it if he isn't interested and to make sure it's capped at 30 mins, so I can still do a reasonable bt.  I'm wondering if this is a better tack for us for te moment as the short am/long pm doesn't seem to work for us anymore and he can't seem to follow the 'rules' (tee hee I know I know) and tack sleep on after an ebt. Then if we start getting some later wu we then try and push the 1st nap time out. What do you think? Does anyone else have any experience of this approach working? Or am I just prolonging the transition - we seem to have been in it for 2 months already now - urrrggh.

 
What do you think???

Hi ladies - just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on the above?
 
Charlie had his own plans yesterday and did a 1.50 nap from 10.50-12.40. but then refused a cn - 2 min nap in car on way home and then big tantrum at bt, finally fell asleep at 7.15. NWat 9.15, 4.35 and then up for the day at 5.15. He's normally pretty happy even on not much sleep but he was quite grumbly this morning so I think his teeth are playing up again. He did take his first independant steps at nursery yesterday too, so we could have development things playing on his mind - bless him, so proud of my little boy, but massive wm guilt that I wasn't there to share the moment with him.

[SusieQue]

Hi there, sorry to jump in but really need some advice for our 11mo who is point blank refusing his pm nap! We've been doing ebt of 6pm the last couple of weeks as he just won't sleep in the afternoon now, but this morning he also refused his morning nap and had to be cuddled to sleep which has never happened before. Yesterday he was at nursery from 9 to 1pm and didn't sleep at all (been awake since 5.30!) and slept for 1.5 hours when we got home. He can handle 5 hours A time so are we right to just be having 1 nap now?  Here is our usual easy:

A 5.45
S 10.30-12 or 12.30
Asleep in bed by 6pm

He'll be a year old in September and has always been on the high side of A times - I was just looking for reassurance we were doing the right thing! I keep second guessing myself lately, and especially with him getting so upset this morning, which he never does. Any advice would be appreciated!

[jingmommy]

Trinity, I did pm cn once when DD only mapped one hour from 11-12.  I only gave her 15mins after 4hr A and she went to bed well that night.  Just FYI.
So you probably need to offer the cn later if necessary, but not every day and keep her awake during the car drive.  I know it's hard but the 2mins doze off seems to really ruin your plan.

[ZacsMumme]

Keenanl I think your EASY looks good, if you can, gradually move that nap out a touch closer towards 11am to help balance the day and move the EW a touch later. As long as your LO is napping ~2 hrs, and is ok at night ie not lots of NW, really Ew or short nights 10hrs etc then e is likely ready for the jump. You may need to throw in a CN every few days to keep OT from creeping in for a bit

[janecharlotte]

Hi I am wondering if anyone can help tweak my A times for my 11 month old who has been such a good sleeper until the beginning of this 2-1. DD1 didn't go down to one sleep til 14-15months and handles it easily.

DD2 has rapidly had a jump in A times, up until 2 weeks ago she was taking a 2hour am sleep and a 1 hour pm nap. Now her day is looking like this:
6am wake
10am nap (yesterday she woke after 40mins so I apoped her to sleep as she was so miserable). Slept another 35mins
3.50nap in the ergo- she fought it and woke a few times but I then had to wake her at 4.30
7.30 BT

3 wake ups over night and up for the day at 6

How long should I have her 2nd A at? She seems to fight it no matter what. I have been capping her nap in the am hoping she will sleep better in the pm but she still short naps and needs apoping. I don't mind an 11 hour night but 10.5 is too short. She has always been high sleep needs and can't seem to get out of the rut.

I can't get her to one nap if she starts the day so early.

Any ideas?