Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22

[trinity33]

Oh boo. Bad night last night. Woke at 12.15 and couldn't resettle, so thought it was molars and gave ibruprofen, still couldn't comfort him, so gave a bottle which he gulped down and then went to sleep within a few minutes (1.10).  Hmm do you think he woke due to hunger? We are in the process of gradually moving him to cows milk from formula - is this less filling? Or do they have a growth spurt at 12 months? I haven't done a night feed since he was 4 months! Although it's common for him to have nw they are normally shout outs or a couple of mins grumbling and then self settling....so there was definitely something up!

Or do you think it was teeth that woke him and then on top of OT and just needed the comfort of the bottle  to help him go back off again? He did drain the bottle in record time.

The shoutouts at 5.10, back to sleep til, 5.45.

So I've held my nerve and still gone for a 1 nap day at 11...phoned nursery and he slept:

11-12.10 but then went back to sleep after a few mins til 1.50

I've also asked them to offer him lots of food. So i'll try and finish work a bit early to try and do another ebt and then give ibruprofen at bt to try and help with the teeth.

Any other ideas? I'm on antibiotics & painkillers for a tooth abcess at the moment too, so I really sympatheise with the poor kid....but 4 hours sleep for mum is not cool  

[kthow3]

Not having a good day (or night) over here either!  Last night 45 minutes after BT, DS woke up screaming which lasted 20 minutes.  Woke up at 5:30 screaming as well, got him up at this time.  Fell asleep at 9:00 easily (this was actually later than I'd told the nanny but what's done is done), slept until 9:30 when I woke him up.  Now, it's time for the afternoon nap, I put him down at 12:00 and he is in his crib kicking like a madman and shaking the whole house!  If he doesn't sleep for his nap I might cry!  If he doesn't sleep I would guess he is OT- he rubbed his eyes and was yawning at 10:30... sigh...

[kthow3]

Update: he kicked/played until 12:50, when he started crying.  I went in and changed his diaper; sure enough, poopy diaper.  I put him back in his crib and he fell asleep 10 minutes later.  So that was a 3.5 hour awake time... should I do a 20 min cap for the am nap? 

[oliversmommy]

Trinity and kthow3 - sorry to hear you had bad nights!  Trinity - sounds to me like his NW was due to hunger - we're not there yet but I'm curious to know too if cow's milk is less filling than formula.

Our first day on the new routine went well:  (Kara you rock!)

6:25 WU
10:25-10:55 capped AM nap
1:45-3:15 PM nap

So is 1.5 hrs considered a restorative nap on this routine or should I be shooting for 2+ hrs?  If his PM nap should be longer, what should I do differently tomorrow?

[*Kara*]

Our first day on the new routine went well:  (Kara you rock!)

6:25 WU
10:25-10:55 capped AM nap
1:45-3:15 PM nap

So is 1.5 hrs considered a restorative nap on this routine or should I be shooting for 2+ hrs?  If his PM nap should be longer, what should I do differently tomorrow?

Awesome!  I would just wash, rinse and repeat this one!

Trinity - GS for sure at 12 months, they will be every 6 months from now on... Formula is more filling than cows milk for sure... similar protein/fats etc but formula does take a bit longer to digest...

[roimata9]

Thanks Kara, so OT is possible even though he's sleeping for longer all up each day?
He was definitely OT at nap time today, woke after 1:10 and I tried wi/wo to get him to go back to sleep, but gave up after an hour.
So super EBT tonight? and the do you think I should stick with 5 hours A time before nap or make it a bit shorter tomorrow?

[jingmommy]

We went back to two naps today as DD woke up at 6am again.
WU 6am (total night sleep 11hrs which is the average amount for her)
Nap1 10:00-10:15
Nap2 1pm-2:30pm
BT 6:40pm, played in her crib and didn't fall asleep till 7:20pm
Given she gad a good night sleep, I intended to have one nap only at 11am but hesitated because (1)it's hard for nanny to arrange the lunch and (2)DD hasn't had steady 2hr+ nap and it's hard to arrange BT earlier than 6:30pm if the nap ends by 1pm ( then the day will be too long).  Could you ladies share with me your ideas on one-nap/two-nap day?  Are you judging this based on length of night sleep or the WU time?

[trinity33]

Oh rubbish, rubbish, rubbish

After a good night last night of 10.45, wu 5.40, he only did a one hour nap today at 11.00 and despite my best efforts on singing fell asleep for 5 mins on way home. Now been screaming for 1.15 hours.  ,-(


Not helped by water leak which means no water in house, so no bath routine. Have tried resetting, but tbh just doesn't seem tired, cos of cn, even though he must be shattered in reality 

Gave him cereal before bed, formula bottle and ibuprofen.

Kara, Thanks for info on gs and formula that's good to know.


Quick update. Finally fell asleep at 9 o'clock, so apart from a 5 min cn at 6 that's a 9 hour A time. He only got screamy when we put him in crib or tried to get him to lie down. Was quite happy if allowed to crawl around, look out the window etc. Oh heck, wish us luck for tonight!

[oliversmommy]

Wow trinity - sending you lots of hugs and FX for a good night!

So despite repeating yesterday's routine exactly, we got a short PM nap!  Grrrrr . . . this is why I drive myself CRAZY trying to figure out A times!   This was our day:

WU 6:30
10:40-11:10 capped AM nap
1:50-2:35 PM nap

I think he fell asleep in the stroller for a few minutes during a walk this morning around 9 - maybe that mucked things up.  And unfortunately we had to attend a family birthday party tonight so no EBT (DS fell asleep at 8 I'm ashamed to say).  DS usually handles OT pretty well but depending on what time he wakes up may be fussy tomorrow . . . so I'm not sure if I should try the same A times/AM nap length tomorrow factoring in the likely OT due to the long A before BT, or if I should try something different. 

What do you think I should do???

[trinity33]

well amazingly after our crazy day yesterday he actually had a really really good night!!!

eventual bt 9pm, heard a bit of chatting at 5.20, then back to sleep until 6.55! Think he might of slept longer if I hadn't had to get up for a shower!

Then on paper had a great nap day. But still screamed the house down for an hour before going to sleep tonight.

wu 6.55
nap 11.35-2.05
pd at 6.50 put didn't go to sleep until 7.45

What do you think? Obviously loving the late wu, but don't know what to think about the bt sheenanigans.

[*Kara*]

Trinity - as nice as that late WU time is.. he had a very short night of less than 10 hrs sleep.. I would bet he was OT at BT tonight.

Ladies - just a reminder that OT is part of the game of the 2-1, you really cannot avoid it unfortunately... their total sleep is more consolidated and likely a higher total than on 2 naps, but those long A times do catch up to them... best to stick with a single nap whenever possible and keep things low key when you can!

[oliversmommy]

Trinity - hope you get another late wu tomorrow!

Kara - thanks for the OT info - you are such a huge help to us ladies!

So today I pushed out the 2nd A time by 15 min and got a 1 hr 55 min PM nap - hooray!  Not sure if that was due to the correct A time or him just catching up on lost sleep.  I guess I'll do the same thing tomorrow and see . . .

So today was 4 hr 10 first A time, 30 min capped nap, 3 hr second A time - the next time I get a short PM nap should I push out the 2nd A time again, or cap the AM nap at 20 min???  (Or push out the 1st A time???)

[jingmommy]

Oliversmommy, the recommendation I read from FAQ in EASY forum is the average A times after 30mins am nap is up to 3h30mins.  So guess you may try up to this long and see how your LO does.  If he still gets short pm nap, you can try cap am nap to 20mins.  It only took us a week from 30mins am nap to 20mins and another two days jumping to one nap.  I would try to extend the 2nd A times up to 3hrs30mins if I have read this earlier. 

Kara, this for your reminder.  This just came in time as I am hesitating again whether it's a one nap or two nap day for tomorrow. 

[trinity33]

thanks kara, that#s a really good reminder - just holding firm and trying roll with it.

fell asleep on the way back from nursery today (i've got laryngytis, so couldn't sing lol).  anyway did have screaming at bt, but only 20 mins tonight so alseep by 7.10, keeping my fingers crossed it doens't lead to an earlier wu and he does just have a slightly longer night.

think i'm going to stick to the 11 am nap time for now, just wondering what the signs are to start pushing it a bit later?

Thanks for all your advice you're a star 

[*Kara*]

think i'm going to stick to the 11 am nap time for now, just wondering what the signs are to start pushing it a bit later?

When it shortens or he puts up some resistance