Re: Please help, multiple NWs and naps are changing too, Can't do it anymore

[Jodes112]

Thats a positive day! Well done, and i hope you get a good night & wu out of it too. Fingers crossed! Xx

[AMJ]

Thank you Jodes!!!

[AMJ]

Agrrrrr Dd had a 7:30 BT yesterday and woke up at 5:45 am. I still consider that's an early WU. I'm thinking of giving the AM nap at 3hrs30mins instead of 3hrs45mins and then 1hr nap. 

[AMJ]

P.S. i wish there was a way to know if it's OT, too much day S, not enough A time behind the EWUS. I am so discouraged. Maybe I should try what Ali suggested- let her have full A times and full 3hr naps during the day but then long morning A might bring EWUS?

[Jodes112]

Have you tried w2s since last time? I think the best thing to do at this point is to reduce some day sleep again, for a few days, and see if she starts adding it to the night. As this for her is pretty normal now, 10.5 (ish) hr night, with around 2.5/3hrs day sleep?

How long did she end up sleeping yesterday afternoon? Im wondering if you should cut down a little on day sleep for a few days and see if she will add it to her night, it might initially cause OT but would possibly get into sleeping 30mins/1hr extra at night but cutting a little sleep out of the day.

[AMJ]

I did w2s at 4 and she woke up cried for few secs and went back to S.
Honestly I don't know what's normal for her anymore. She did sleep 10.5hrs before then she slept 11hrs then 11.5 and now back to 10hrs15mins.
Yesterday Her PM nap was 1.5hrs and 1hr AM nap. So do you think I should cut the PM one by 15 or AM? Or I should stick it out with the same schedule for few more days?
Or Maybe I should stick to the same morning A then 45mins AM nap but then only 3hrsn of afternoon A and 1.5hrs PM nap and 3hrs30mins last A. I don't know if I can cut the morning A cause I just put DD at 3hrs30mins and she is not falling asleep

[Jodes112]

Iv just had a second thought. Keep it how it was yesterday for a few days, and see if she settles into sleeping later. It may be that chopping and changing all the time is not doing her any good. 1hr AM and 1.5hr PM and after a few days see how she is doing, if she seems tired, UT, NW, etc. how does that sound? Dont let her sleep past 4pm though, so if you need to cut that a litter shorter i would. And then bt 7.15-7.30.

[AMJ]

Ok sounds good, maybe you are right! And if she wakes early stretch her till 9:00even if the morning A will be very long?

[Jodes112]

Yes i would, hopefully she will stick to 5.45wu tho!

[AMJ]

thank you!!

[*Ali*]

I defo wouldn't cut both naps. She needs one restorative nap of 1.5hrs plus.

[Jodes112]

Didnt know that ali, good point. Dd's restorative nap is often 1hr15/20 mins (but she is lsn) But if thats the case AMJ stick with 1.5 for PM x

[AMJ]

Thanks Ali. We had bad luck with PM nap today. I offered it at 1:30 but she kept crying so after pu/pd and her still crying I APOP and fed her to S rocking in a rocking chair. She woke up crying at 1hr10/20mins of S. I couldn't resettle. Then I offered BT at 6:30 but she kept crying again. I tried pu/pd again but she just didn't calm so I thought maybe SA and I climbed in her crib tried to calm her then after that I fed her to S in the crib. She fell asleep after being awake for over 4hrs at 7:15. Tomorrow she will wake up with the birds for sure so will try to wake to S and 3:30am.

I think she is pretty OT by now so we will try set naps from now on. I am confused though, when I read 2-1 transition it say for LOs who Have  EWUs to extend morning A and cut AM nap and shorten afternoon A. But after reading some routine examples on this forum I noticed that lots of people do short morning A(instead of long) then short AM nap, then longer afternoon A(instead of short A) and long PM nap. Maybe that's where I'm Going wrong?

[*Ali*]

If they wake themselves after 1hr20 that is different but they will likely not have completed 2 full sleep cycles if you wake them earlier. IMO it is better to have a 1.5hr nap and a 45 min nap than a 1hr15 nap and a 1hr nap.
I also found if the shorter nap was too long the following A time wasn't any shorter than the A time after the long nap which made the day too long. So my boys might have been able to do 3 hrs after a 45 min nap but would probably have wanted 3hr30 if I let them have an hour. So the day would have been 45 mins longer just because  I allowed that extra 15 mins for the nap if that make sense.

I think it depends on the LO and your daily activities whether it is best to do a short AM or PM nap. I always found offering the am nap too early perpetuated the EWs but some people seem to get away with it.

[AMJ]

Yeah I wanted to let DD sleep even longer today during PM nap to catch her up but she just couldn't resettle.
I'm not sure if I explained myself properly but I meant that we are going to 3hrs45mins morning A then 45mins AM nap, then 3hrs afternoon A, then 1.5hr PM nap, then 3hrs30mins evening A. Maybe that long Morning A is getting her so tired that even with a shorter afternoon A she can't have a long PM nap. Maybe it's better to try for something like this: 3hrs15mins morning A, then 45mins AM nap then 3hrs30mins afternoon A, then long PM nap then 3hrs30mins evening A? But like you said Ali that might cause EWUs. Hmmm