I'm unsure can someone take a look?

[babyrose]

I think the change is needed after the first nap.

Leo

7:00 wu
7:30 eat (11oz)
9:15 b/fast
9:45 sleep 2hrs no waking @ 2hrs 45 mins
11:50 eat (7oz)
13:45 lunch
14:30 sleep 1hr 50 mins with 2 waking so wouldn't settle so I got them both up @ 16:20
16:40 eat (9oz)
18:00 dinner
19:25 eat (1oz)
19:40 bed ( I did not intend this late a b/time for them both after that last nap.

I think moving to 3hrs perhaps after the 2 hr sleep may help with the next nap?

Lewis
7:00 wu
7:50 eat (11oz)
9:15 b/fast
9:55 sleep 2hrs no waking @ 2hrs 55
12:05 eat (5oz)
13:45 lunch
14:40 sleep 4 maybe 5 waking @2hrs 55 maybe another 10/15 mins here?
16:50 eat (9oz)
18;00 dinner
19:20 eat (4oz)
19:30 bed

[becj86]

Fair enough, give it a go

[babyrose]

So far they both slept well with the first nap, Lewis still sleeping as I type due up in 45 mins. Now Leo woke 40 mins after his sleep and wasn't wanting to go back so I'm taking it OT but it occured to me that he was due a milk feed at 15:45 so it could be possible that he was also hungry, with the milk feeds being off their doesn't seem enough time in the day to fit 4bottles but aren't they a little young to be dropping a bottle?

[becj86]

Those bottles are getting quite a long time apart. You could try doing 'snack' bottles or offering milk with solids - I did milk with solids with DS for a while because he just needed the calories.

40min is typically UT - its generally considered to be one sleep cycle, can be hunger too though. Hard to tell on day 1 and really tweak decisions should be made on at least 2 days' data.

[babyrose]

Generally I know they are getting a great amount overall but just the hours between them aren't so good. Maybe I need to plan things a bit better.

Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day for Leo, glad lewis got that afternoon sleep and fingers crossed for a better night.

[becj86]

FX for you xx

[creations]

Have you started solids?

[babyrose]

Overall a good night buy lewis woke at 6:20 fussing and trying to get back to sleep but couldn't and also waking Leo. Tried til 6:55 to get them back to sleep but it just wasn't happening!

Hi creations, yes on 3 a day now.

[creations]

Wow how exciting!
I think it's probably more common for the solids to start before the milk feeds stretch beyond the 4hr hr mark due to naps but it's the other way around for your boys due to the timing and length of their naps (when they do have a full nap).  I imagine they aren't taking much in the way of solids yet to see them through that extra time between milk feeds so it sounds like a good idea of bec to give them a little milk top up at the solids time to help see them through.

I wonder if they just can't manage a 12 hr night and 11.5 is about all they can do? (and need the day sleep more than that extra half hour at night)

[babyrose]

Everything seems all over the place with the milk feeds but a top up could be the answer. When Lewis some yesterday after his first nap he only took 2oz so I carried on with solids ( usually only 1or 2oz) he still seemed hungry so I gave him another bottle before his nap another 6oz and slept 2hrs not sure if the milk or increase played the part here.

It is possible about 11.5 hr nights, with Leo not sleeping yesterday I think he woke just after 4 (1hr 25) I thought better get a slightly earlier night, thinking 7 would have been ok he wasn't  happy when I put him down I felt like he was refusing a bit and him being woke with Lewis I felt like he would have happily slept on.

[babyrose]

Yesterday turned a 13 hr day, I'm not sure if this is too long a day at this age? I remember when ayden was older we done this.

Lewis slept pretty well but Leo woke a few time needing his dummy, we done some A time increases yesterday. One was OT and the other UT I'm finding it confusing now with all these times and increases in my head!

[becj86]

13hr day/11hr night is fine with 2hr naps at this age.

If its getting too much to hold in your head (which is hard enough with one!), maybe write some of it down?

[babyrose]

That's good then about the 13hr days, but I had to cap that last nap otherwise our day would have been over 13hrs.

Leo

7:00 wu
7:15 eat 11
8:45 b/fast
9:55 sleep 2 hrs ( ATime + 10 no waking so
12:15 eat (9)
14:00 lunch ( with extra milk feed 2oz)
15:10 ( was going for hrs here but he talked in his cot for 10 mins then woke 30 mins later 3xwaking on this length)
17:20 eat (3oz I fed Lewis first
18:00 small dinner
19:30 eat (3)
Bed
19:55 bed

3x waking around 5

Lewis
7:00 wu
7:30 eat (10)
08:45 b/fast
9:55 sleep 2hrs ( normally don't get any waking so here but some reason 30mins)
12:30 eat (3)
14:00 lunch ( 4oz extra milk feed)
15:10 sleep 1hr 35
17:00 eat (7)
18:00 dinner
19:10 eat (1)
19:55 bed

1x waking dummy around 2

I do have a note pad and write everything down but it still confusing.

[becj86]

Yeah, Leo was possibly that bit UT before that second nap which turned into OT with the chatting to himself. Possibly he could do a bit more, say 3:05-3:10 off a solid 2hr AM nap.

Are you waking them at 7 or is that when they're getting up with a little variation in actual WU?

[babyrose]

Will try another 10 mins with Leo hopefully this will help a bit.

Lewis slept right through til 5:30 this morning( not entirely sure if this was the exact time which puts us in a mix up), tried til 6:30 to get him back to sleep wasn't managing it at all. His first nap is OT from the short nights but then his next nap is UT but days are getting too long. It's a no win here! Yes we usually start our day at 7.

Nw's have went from 4:30 til 5:30 which is rubbish but it's heading in the right direction. Leo fussed a bit around the time Lewis was up but I quickly gave him his dummy and settled ans slept through to 7 when I woke him. I think with that extra 10 mins he should be ok with that (I think)

Should I start Lewis's day do u think at 5:30 or 6:30? Even though he was dozing and trying to sleep.