I'm unsure can someone take a look?

[becj86]

Yeah, probably worth increasing that second A time a tad.

[babyrose]

So after 1hr 45 sleep and putting up the A time by 5 mins I felt as though Lewis was refusing his nap. He cried and and woke after 35 mins I got him settled again but woke 10 mins later and refused to back to sleep. The time I got my dinner and bathed and ready for bed it was 19:30 before he went to sleep but only woke twice last night for his dummy ( again between 4&5)

Leo was up at the usual time 4&5 and they slept til when I got them up.

[babyrose]

After me saying about their first nap being great they both decided not. Looks like another change in the morning is needed. With the 2nd nap I put Lewis down 3hrs15 after a 1hr 25 nap which he woke early and he slept fine.

Leo woke 35 mins after I put him down and only slept 1hr but I put him down a Little earlier than I would a normal 1hr or 2hr nap and he woke 35mins later.I'm thinking he was UT as this is what lewis done yesterday and with less sleep and the same A time lewis slept great this afternoon, the best in a while.

[becj86]

That can happen too - the increase may only help for a day or two.

Just wondering if you know their sleepy cues? It may be worth watching for cues from say 3:10 A time but PD for nap at 3:25 A time if there are no cues in that time. That might give you a better handle on the A time they really can manage and still keep things in a window for you to keep the day reasonably synchronised. WDYT?

[babyrose]

I noticed that Lewis got tired around 3 he's after his first nap yawning and just about fell asleep having his milk put him down for 3hrs 15 and he was up 45/50 mins later.

Leo starting yawning around 3hrs 10 and put him down 3hrs 15 and same as lewis up 45/50 mins later.

Would you think 3hrs 25 in morning and afternoon til b/time would be enough do u think? I can't believe they are still so unUT from the start of this thread.

[creations]

Maybe they just need to be moved, change of scene activity? Rather than put down for nap?

[becj86]

Yes, that's the other thing, the cues come out if they're bored too, so that's why you watch the clock til close to nap time. Maybe also change to one of a few pre-nap activities/locations?

I think they're almost caught up to the normal A time for their chronological age, really, if they're up to 3:25 (which I think they might handle ok given what you've written). I do think though that keeping the A time the same for a week once you've done this amount of increasing is important just to make sure you're not seeing a temporary decrease in nap length which can happen before they lengthen back out again on a new time.

[babyrose]

I will change things about more, hopefully that will help keep them more awake and keep this new A time for now.  Maybe this increase will help with the EW getting 6-8 times between 4&7 isn't much fun especially when the alarm goes off at 7 I'm exhausted!

Do u think keeping 1.5 nap times ok with 3.25 and that should keep our day not too long, perhaps 13 hrs with these A times?

It looks like our days are getting too long

7 wu
10:25 sleep 1.5
15:20 sleep 1.5
B/time 20:20

Not sure what to do here?

[becj86]

Yeah, this is where you do end up capping one nap (probably the second so you know you get in a good one in the AM) a little shorter to preserve a decent BT but in general I'd not start that til the night gets down to 10.5hr - ideally you wouldn't want it shorter than that.

Increasing the A times should help sort the EWs.

[babyrose]

Both naps good today, first nap no wakings. Lewis woke in the 2nd nap but I found him practicing his rolling over so I'm hoping its that that's disturbed him.

If I'm counting right they will be 10.5 hrs with these new A times?

[becj86]

Thereabouts, I'd just let it sit for a little while to stabilise before changing anything else.

Glad you had a good day

[babyrose]

I will stay out for a while, let their bodies rest. Nw's were the same last night but from 5. Lewis 2x dummy replugs and Leo 3 maybe can't really remember but he was more unsettled.

[becj86]

So, EWs started a bit later last night? That good, getting them to reduce. Hopefully they go altogether in the next week or so. If not, we can look at increasing the A time a bit more.

[babyrose]

Yes it was around 4:50 this morning so later than normal.  it usually.starts around 4/4:30 lasts maybe 1 hr on and off with them both! I get one sorted then I get back into bed and then the other one starts.

Ok let's see how things go and take it from their.

[babyrose]

Lewis woke around 6:10 this morning and still trying to fall back over to sleep at 6:40 but woke 10 mins later and refused to go back to sleep.

Leo has just had a stretch the first one all night and briefly woke at 6:45 then went back to sleep til I woke him at 7.

They both woke a few 3 times in the 2nd nap but OK in the 1st one.