Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued

[Tao]

Oh Sharon! Your post almost brought me a tears because it gives me hope that I can retrain her to go down on her own again! Thank you for sharing your WI/WO story. I will definitely have to try this. I have a few questions:

-When you turned to leave and she had a panicked cry, did you still walk out, despite the cry?
-When you walked in to soothe her, were you able to actually get her to calm down? I've noticed that whenever I go in there, I can't get her to calm down in the crib without picking her up. If that's the case, I will be walking in and my presence will be known, but I don't know if I will be able to actually calm her. Is this okay?
-Would you attempt this during teething?

Sorry, I know this is not a WI/WO thread, but I will do anything at this point!

[hjrmom01]

Sharon, I'm interested to hear how you do WIWO, too. I've tried a few times with H but he just doesn't calm down when I leave! Gets more hysterical. Right now because of all the teething we basically do GW.

So I think it is definitely the last molar causing issues. That...and Roseola! Poor thing had a 104+ temp for almost 5 days! It's finally broken down to low 100's and now the rash is starting. We actually had to do 2 naps yesterday!! He cried and cried for his sleep sack and kept signing night night so I gave him a quick 15 min CN. He was ready to go back down just over 3.25 hrs later, I had to wake him at 2 hrs since it was almost 4!!!  Still only slept 10hr40 min last night. Today was a 2hr40min nap but I got him to bed just over 4.5hrs later. We'll see what happens!

Hugs to everyone with teething lo's, nap refusals, and OT!!!

[Tao]

Alyssa,

I'm SO sorry to hear that! Poor thing! I hope H feels better soon. I also know what you mean about your LO getting more hysterical when you leave. Is H a spirited baby? Sophie is very spirited and she is so difficult to calm. Even when sit there with her, don't touch her and say the sleepy phrase, she screams at the top of her lungs for an entire hour!

[marlowsmom]

Christine-
Question 1- Yes, I would still walk out.   I wanted her to know that I was nearby and I could hear he but I would not pick her up.    Even at her most upset, I would only bend over the rail and put my arms around her but, she stayed in the crib. 

Question 2-Instead of walking all the way in try telling her from the door.   Close the door and wait.    She will be screaming.   Wait about 5 minutes and listen.    If she is still really screaming and wailing then poke your head in and repeat your bedtime key words.     Leave and wait 10 minutes but listen.    If her crying is stopping and starting then don't go in.   Leave her and just keep your ears open.    Only go in on the Oh-My-God-I-Need-You-Now cries.

Question 3-For Marlow, teething isn't that much of an issue, yet.    She's teething now and still lays down without much fuss.   I do keep her on Motrin at night and I may give her Tylenol before nap time.    If your LO doesn't require any special attention during teething time and seems to take the pain in stride then I don't see why not.    If your LO is distressed and in pain then no. 

 I toyed with this for a couple of days before locking down on the method and following through.   It hurts to hear your LO crying and so upset but in the end I knew it was for the best.    The first day she did really get upset and cried so hard.    It broke my heart.    And I would go into her room to often and tried to soothe her too much because it hurt me to hear her so upset.      After a couple of days I decided to lock down on the method and follow through.   I read stories for the support thread and women said they were able to get their LO to lay down by themselves in 3 to 5 days.      I thought if these women can do it and get in done so quickly then Marlow can surly do it.    You have to stick to the method though.    It wasn't fair to let Marlow cry for 30 min all for me to give in and hold her until she fell asleep.   I had to lock down.   She was going to sleep on her own after 3 solid days of doing WI/WO for every nap and bedtime.

Here's the link that explains everything...

http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=80750.0

[hjrmom01]

Christine, I don't think H is much Spirited...definitely touchy!  But I think as he gets older there are some spirited characteristics that are showing!!!

Sharon, thanks for sharing that info!  I think once we get out of the thick of teething I'll have to give it a shot with H. Usually we do fine with nights as long as there isn't any teething. But for H, teething is a LONG horrendous process!  It takes MONTHS to get just one tooth and he notices any tiny bit of pain That is definitely the touchy in him!!!

We finally had a good night here! I think the slightly early bedtime helped A quick 30 min NW for some motrin at 1:30 and then slept until 8...so at least 11.5 hrs.  FINALLY!  You can definitely tell the difference in temperament and behavior!

[aimeeL]

Hi ladies - Have been following along here for awhile, but never seem to have time to post.. 

How do you catch your LOs up on sleep when they inevitably get OT from the tail end of this transition?  We've been on one nap for 3 wks now, with this last - 3rd wk - being terrible.  In hindsight, I'm pretty sure it was because I just cold-turkey-ed it, and the OT accumulated slowly.  SO - am wondering how best to proceed - doing 2 naps every few days? - or doing an earlier 1 nap?  With the earlier 1 nap, I worry about her sleeping the same amt, therefore waking up earlier, and then needing an earlier bedtime... and then an earlier wakeup.. thus, not helping anything.. does that make sense?  The biggest problem with 2 naps is just a) what a pain that 20 min nap is, and b) stressing over whether she'll take a good 2nd nap...

Any thoughts on what has worked for you?

[~Jen~]

I'm definitely not the best for advice on the OT as we are battling a nightmare transition at the moment.  OT creeping in left and right.  I find generally that a good early bedtime and a long night sleep is best remedy.  My DS doesn't seem to catch up on OT from daytime sleep.. but I think LOs are all so different so tough to say what works best for you.

Ugh, this 2-1 is killing me!  Have a long drawn out post on main board so won't bore you with teh details... but we are just stuck somewhere between 1 and 2 naps.  Not pretty over here at the moment.     Can't wait to get past this!  hope you are all having a better time of it...

[Tweakster]

How do you catch your LOs up on sleep when they inevitably get OT from the tail end of this transition?

We really had to just let Finn manage it and self-regulate.  We stuck to set times as much as possible except when EW when we might shift the nap 1/2 hr earlier and then offer early bedtime if it wasn't long enough.  But really we just did set times and rolled with it.  We never had the option of 2 naps - once his routine was 1 nap he wouldn't go back.  We would have to wait until he was exhausted and then drive him around for at least an hour before he would CN for like 10-30 mins.  Too much work and major backlash from him.  So we just said 1 nap is on offer and went with it.

[*Jo*]

Hi ladies, i think im back here again, we are still only having 1.5 hour naps on the one nap situation, its not enough sleep for the whole day in total. i think im gonna try 2 naps today and see what happens, it makes for a long day and a short night but oh well, im just getting so frustrated that its not happening. everyone always said once he hits 4.5 hour A time its safe enuogh to jump to one nap, but thats provided he does at least a 2 hour nap and thats just not happening.... *sigh* what do other mothers do at this stage??? how do non BWers do it?? thats what i want to know

[Nee]

The biggest problem with 2 naps is just a) what a pain that 20 min nap is, and b) stressing over whether she'll take a good 2nd nap...

I too was doing it like this then transitioned to having his big nap after 4.5 hours.  He naps anywere from 2 hours when he wakes on his own in the morning to 3 hours when I have to wake him early due to work.  I then give him a cat nap at around 4:30 of 30 min on the days that I have to wake hime early as he is realy tired.  Today he didn't seem tired so I put him down for bed at 7pm.  Hope this helps any?

Nee

[marlowsmom]

Jo- I've been doing long AM and CN in the PM.     I've done it the last two days and both nights she had NW.   She is teething molars which I think is a whole new ball game. 
 She had a 1.40 min nap this AM; she woke at 1210pm.    I tried to put her down for a CN but she wasn't having any of it.     I got her up and decided to keep her up until 630pm.   

I'm going to push her A time tomorrow to 5 hours and see what develops.

[*Jo*]

Sharon - I pushed Caleb to 4 jhours 40mins today, so only 10mins more and i got a 1 hour nap outta Caleb this morning, hes woken up in a bad mood, keeps bursting into tears for no reason, i know its teeth, ive seen the third molar trying to push through, i have given him panadol a couple of hours ago but i think i might just jump straight to the nurofen for this one today. am gonna try for another nap later today, hes just a mess. in fact a few times today hes walked into the computer room where i am, looked at me and just burst into tears! i think i might have to sit with him with the TV on today, it seems to be the only thing that distracts him from his pain

[Tao]

Jo,

This is so sad. I'm sorry he is having such a difficult time. Good thing you are such a good mommy. He is getting the best care until this all passes. Hugs!
Christine

[marlowsmom]

Oh Jo that is really sad.   My heart breaks for the little guy.    The only thing to do is give him lots of love and meds. 

Marlow has at least 4 teeth coming in.   I think one might has just broken through in the last 24 hours and another is a molar.    She's had one nap today.   I hope she has a good night sleep.    I hope Caleb has a good night sleep.

[annette.xx]

looks like im in great company!

sorry to hear bubs are poorly and teething - jas is teething (yet again) and its just so horrid...

question for you all...

been reading through the 2/1 threads and im going to go with late morning long nap and keep moving it forward by 15 mins every now and then (have to go really slow with jas!!) this will be her only nap for the day (catnap is impossible!!) but it says to do early bedtime so last A time isnt too long - and they will stretch their night sleep to make up their sleep totals ...

but im confused cos if she wakes at 7 naps 11.15 - 12.45/1 then bedtime is at 6pm then night sleep will need to be 13 hrs and day sleep has been 1 1/2 - maybe 2 hrs - surely she wont sleep this much when she has only been doing 13 hrs total for last couple of months?

any one have experience of this?

Annette.xx