Anyone Want To Talk About the 2-1 Transition? Thread #13

[bug_blues70]

Hi Shellsy! Re: bottles. I have trouble getting Ellen to eat solids, but we are on FF and about the same age as your LO. I usually get in 2 good bottles a day and the third sometimes she takes the whole thing, sometimes just about half. I don't worry as long as she gets at least 16 oz a day and I'm considering dropping that third bottle since she's almost at a year anyway. IIWY I wouldn't worry about trying to make sure he gets a 4th bottle, especially if he's eating solids pretty good, kwim?


Well, no luck on the long night. We only had one nap yesterday and still only an 11 hr night. Not sure why - anyone have any ideas as to what might have caused it? We woke up at 815 and our atime/naptimes were this: 3:45/2:20/4:45. Last time we did this, we got a 13+ hr night. Does anyone think that extending either of the atimes by a few minutes will help? Or any other ideas? The only thing is I'm afraid if I extend morning atime, I'll get another 1h15m OT nap...  I guess then I'd have room for a 2nd nap tho.

[sherry lynn]

We have just had three of the worst days for sleep that we've ever had!!!!

Two days of VERY EARLY wakings, I'm talking in the 4:00 hour. Less than one hour of sleep each day!!!

Woke at 4:48 today and I tried to make sure he didn't go done OT. But, he still cried out 3 minutes after falling asleep. (not a good sign)

Sorry everybody else seems to be going through a rough patch as well. Maybe there's something in the stars that is keeping sleep away.

Megan - you just posted while I did. Is she a consistent long sleeper at night? I have found that some LO will do those longer nights on and off, but you can't really count on it, and it doesn't really mean you are doing anything wrong. Is she usually closer to 11 hours, rather then 12? I have found with both of mine that I can't really count on anything longer than 11 hours for the long haul. Which makes transitions even harder.

[sherry lynn]

Oh, also, you can def. try the A time trick.

And... I posted this on somebody else's thread.  You have to be careful with those Early morning wakings. It's fragmented sleep.... so her body really might treat it like a very early nap. KWIM. So.... she only slept the normal 11 hours for a 2 nap day.

You thought wake up was 8:30, but her body might have felt like wake up was 4:30. Does that make sense?

[~Karen~]

Popping in as have suddenly been having some one nap days over the last couple of weeks.  I'm getting am nap refusal so getting him up after a while, doing lunch and then putting him back down.  Naps haven't really been long enough for a one nap day though.  He hasn't been getting up for the day till 745/8am so he hasn't been ready to go down until after noon.  Of course today we have a party to go to so I'm going to have to wake him up soon.  He's on about 2 hours now but would have liked to have seen how long he would have napped today. 

Imagine we'll be flitting between one and two naps for a little while but if he keeps catching up on sleep in the mornings (is going to bed about 630pm) then I might be able to get him onto one nap quite early which is what I'm hoping for! 

[bug_blues70]

Hugs for your hard days Sherry Lynn!! I hope it gets better soon!! Yes, what you say totally does make sense. And on top of that, she IS a habitual 11 hour sleeper. But on one nap days (which have been relatively few) she's slept 13 or more. But the early morning nap thing really does make a lot of sense, so for now I'm going to chalk it up to that and see what happens in the future. I think I'll leave the atime alone for now as I *know* her morning atime is right. Every time I've tried to extend it even just 10 min I get a shorter nap.

I am not at all sure what I want to do today, 1n with BT at 520ish or 2n with BT at 830ish. One BT is too early and the other too late. I'm on my own this weekend (no DH) so the early BT sounds really tempting, but my sister is having a get together at her house this evening so it would help make the longer day more bearable. What to do, what to do...

Good luck Karen!!

Sianie - how do you do your set naps? What times and how does he fall asleep, do you have to apop?

[Daylene]

 

Tara woke at 5:30 this morning, and made little noises in her cot until 6:15, but they weren't Mommy-get-me-up nosies.  She sounded more frustrated that she couldn't get back to sleep.  I learned long ago that it's impossible for me to resettle her in the morning; she sees my face and it's all over!  So I left her to it and finally, around 6:15, she went back to sleep.  Until 7:45!!!  Yay!  We are (for one day at least) out of the EW loop and can have another 1-nap day.

 

So DH took the girls out to church -- I'd like to go, too, but he and I both admitted that what I really need is a little alone-time, so I just sent them off and I have at least an hour in the house by myself!  What luxury!

[sherry lynn]

Good questions to Sian I am curious as well.

Karen - I just have to say. I hate hate hate hate you right now!!!!!!! So not fair!!!! Said with love, of course. xxxx

That is great Daylene!!!! I hope you get to enjoy your mommy time.

[bug_blues70]

Yay Jacki! You deserve it!! Hopefully he'll take them to the park or something afterward!!

[sianie]

We've been doing set nap times since E was around 8 mths old & his nap times have stayed pretty much the same since then (give or take 15 mins). I also did set naps with DD (I know quite a few people on this site use them too), but as with all things it doesn't work for all LO's & may not fit into your lifestyle or your LO's needs iykwim? For me I hated the unpredictability of having to work out A times every morning, I was never very good at it & every day was different. Also, as I have DD, I have places that she needs to be at certain times such as nursery, activities etc so I really needed a predictable & consistent day as much as possible to make things easier.

I think our times are WU usually at 7 (but could be between 6-7, I wake him at 7am if he's still asleep), nap 1 at 10am (usually 1.5hrs), nap 2 at 2.45pm (usually 1hr), bed at 7/7.15pm.  It doesn't matter if he has a short am nap as he makes up for it in the pm nap.

I set the nap times then stuck it out for a few days and he started knowing that it was sleep time and he started sleeping longer and more reliably for each nap.  E automatically gets sleepy as soon as it was 10am even if he was only up at 7am as I think they just become used to the routine iykwim?

With DD, as she got older and needed less sleep, I kept the second nap at 2.30pm and started to cut the first nap to 45 mins but that was not until she was around 14 months so we had the same routine for 7 months. Then she dropped the morning nap and went to 1 nap at 12.00.  It was a really simple nap routine and one that made the 2-1 switch really simple. Hope this all makes sense?

Sherry - sorry about your bad day, poor you. Hope today is better!

Daylene - enjoy your 'me' time, how lovely!!

Hope you're all having better days!

[kimmbba]

Megan, we get mostly 11 hour nights with 2 hour naps...once and a while the LONG night, but totally not guaranteed.  Although I totally know what you mean about how nice the early BT can be for you time, I'd try to get out to your sister's and have a later BT.  Maybe she'll sleep later then too, and tomorrow you can get a 1 nap day?  Plus, I know with DH being gone alot for the next year and a half, it's essential to get out and just see other people even just for an hour or two   Makes the weekend less lonely.

Sherry Lynn, I hope things turn around for you today!  Also, the whole EW thing...Ethan has been waking at 5am (you could use him like an alarm clock it's so reliable).  I give him a sippy, change his diaper and he goes back to sleep at 7.  BAD ME, right??  Do I try to break him like I did with the other NW/NFs??

[Daylene]

When Tara was younger, she'd often wake early (5am, 5:30-ish) and I know a lot of moms who would feed their babies right back to sleep, but I never did that.  Nope, I thought.  If you're going to wake up this early, you're going to stay up and pay the consequences for it.  I wanted her to learn right off that if she needed more sleep, she had to STAY asleep.     I'm not sure it did any good.  At any rate, even at this age I think it's best not to get them in the habit of eating so early.  Cuz you don't want them waking at 5 because it's BREAKFAST time, right?  Water in a sippy, no TV, quiet toys only if necessary.  Message?  5am = dull, dull, dull.   

So DH and the girls were gone for an hour and a blissful half  and after they got home, Tara started playing on the floor with Carly.  She hadn't really noticed me yet.  Then I realized it was her snack time and I picked her up to take her downstairs, and she said, in a kind of surprised voice, "Mama!  Mama!  Mama!"   

[bug_blues70]

Although I totally know what you mean about how nice the early BT can be for you time, I'd try to get out to your sister's and have a later BT.  Maybe she'll sleep later then too, and tomorrow you can get a 1 nap day?  Plus, I know with DH being gone alot for the next year and a half, it's essential to get out and just see other people even just for an hour or two Smiley  Makes the weekend less lonely.

This is exactly what I decided and exactly why!!! It does get uber-lonely when I'm home alone all the time!!!

Jacki - yay on saying mama! Has she said that before?

[Daylene]

Bugs ~ yep, she has.  But you never can tell *exactly* when she starts understanding what it means.  I've suspected she knew "ma-ma" meant me, but this kind of confirmed it. And it was so cute.  Last week there was a day when DH got Tara up from her nap, and was coming down the stairs with her, and when she heard my voice in the kitchen she leaned away from him like she was trying to jump out of his arms and said "Ma-ma-ma-ma."  She couldn't see me yet, and I didn't even hear her, but DH told me about it.

[sherry lynn]

Nope, no luck today. I'm pretty beside myself. I don't know what I'm going to do, he took 1h15m, and was up by 9:45. I'm pretty sure I put him down OT because he was shaking his head while in bed, you know the OT shaking. But DS1 was screaming and screaming before that so I just kept him up until normal time. The car doesn't usually work when he's super OT. And I had just fed him a split feed because his feed was going to be during nap time. Ugggg...

Kim - have you thought about W2S. That seems like a perfect opportunity to try it.

Daylene - that is just too precious.

[sianie]

Oh Sherry, that's rubbish!!! What do you think is causing it? Have you got a thread going?

Daylene - that's so sweet, bless her!!