Anyone Want To Talk About the 2-1 Transition? Thread #13

[kimmbba]

we've been struggling with a little OT here.  Had a couple of short naps, so forced second "nap" with a bottle and usually less than 30 min.  Last night he slept 13 hours (with a 5 am wake up/feed).  I needed him to sleep until 7 as we have church play group this morning, and with DH leaving this morning I really want to go!  Today will probably be a 1 nap day as a result of all the night sleep but we'll see.  He does so great most of the days with one nap, and then after a week or so needs more?  Sometimes I wonder if it's really OT, but then after a little extra sleep he's a happy boy again.

Good luck Lily bug!  I try to never let Ethan sleep past 4pm too...however, he's rarely been to bed past 7 pm as he's always wanted to go to bed at aroun 6-6:30.  I have to say though, since he's getting more DS on one nap he can stay up later. 

[Daylene]

Ugh!  Tara's naps are so short these days!  She's sleeping well at night, and waking up late enough that we can swing one-nap days exclusively, but those naps have NOT been long enough lately!!!!  Today it was an hour and 10 minutes.....  Last night she slept so great, 13.5 hours without any NW's, so I wonder if her short naps are due to too much nightsleep?  Is that even possible at her age?  When she woke from her 70minute nap this afternoon, she wasn't crying or anything, just talking to herself.  Do I dare give her more A time in the morning and see if that helps?  I did 4.25 hours yesterday (90 minute nap) and 4.5 hours today (70 minute nap).  I don't think she's OT because when she wakes OT from a nap, she cries and cries and then resettles.  But how is it possible she can be UT after 4.5 hours A time?  She's only 11 months old!

[LovelyLilyandJack]

Another Q about EWs.. would you give them longer naps that day to make up for the lost NT sleep??

I probably wouldn't unless I thought LO looked tired or you thought the EWs were OT related.  If I thought it was a late nap that was causing the EW, I used to make sure Lily was awake a bit earlier from her second nap, or do a slightly later bedtime to increase that last A time a bit (15 - 30 mins) and see if that helped, even if it risked her getting a little OT.  If she still had a short night after doing that, then I might consider OT and the next day reduce A times a bit (e.g. by 15 minutes).  All very trial and error really....  But that's just what I'd do - partly cos Lily is pretty good at sleeping longer during naps or at night if she needs to and has to be really OT now for it to cause EWs.  The only EWs I've had lately have all been UT, but then again we are at the end of transition after a sudden jump in A times!  Others might think differently....

[Buntybear]

Thanks, I tried shortening his 2nd nap to 30 mins and he woke at 6.45 so more reasonable although he was restless at around 4am and we had to keep going in for a bit.

Nap was 20 mins today so will see what happens.

[kimmbba]

Jacki, we went through the exact same thing for a week...and then the signs of OT started showing.  He was totally fine most days and then over the weekend we had to do a couple of 2 nap days.  Ethan is up most days 5 hours in the am since Christmas and sometimes longer in the afternoon!

[Daylene]

Yeah, we had that too a week or so ago, Kim.  It's funny, because 2-nap days don't at all help "solve" the OT thing for us, they just prevent it from getting any worse.  She doesn't "catch up" on sleep on 2-nap days, if anything, she gets a lot less sleep, but the OT doesn't get any worse because the A times are shorter.

[kimmbba]

Jacki, totally agree.  Ethan never catches up on naps, only at night.  I think you're on to the thing though the shorter A times must help?  Ethan slept 13 hours last night and then a 2 hour nap today.  THEN he went to bed at his normal time, which was only four hours since his nap.  I thought for sure we'd get a later BT but he couldn't handle it.

[lilly_kitt]

Hi

Well yesterday we ended up going for a drive, Ty dropped off and had 35 mins until 3.45.  He then wouldn't go to sleep until 7.50!!  Gave him calpol as he has 4 teeth on the way through.  He then woke at 1.30 when i should have repeated the calpol, instead I gave him a bottle, woke again at 3.30 and grumbled until 6 when i finally gave him some calpol.  Woke at 8 then.  So today it will be one nap only, he's just had his mmr aswell so will be on the calpol for his teeth tonight.  Just need to remember to take some to bed with me.
I hate teething !!!  Am thinking of going cold turkey with the bottle at night since he's up at the moment anyway.
xx

[ccaawc]

Thanks ladies for the great advice!
 
I haven't been able to try them yet. The night b4, dd had 2 NW, 9:40 (40 min after BT) and 3:45. I just lay her down at the 1st one and she settled but the 2nd one was horrible, she was up till 7! She wanted to sleep though, but stuffy nose and DH ( who wanted to read her a book at 5 ) kept her up.

I didn't had the heart and energy to start her day at 7am so I let her sleep and she woke herself at 10am. fell asleep in the baby bjorn at 1pm for 40 mins and I AP a catnap of 30 min at 4pm.

last nite went ok ish, one NW at 12:45 and I settled her by holding her hand for 15 min. woke at 6:30am this morning, looking refreshed. Resisted her 1st nap until 11ish when she doze off in car seat for 20 min, had her kiddy gym then wanted to doze off again in car seat at 2ish but I kept her up till we reach home. She didn't want to sleep when we reach home ( mayb OT already?) so AP nap again at 3:30pm and she woke herself crying at 4:50pm.

I don't know how tonite will be, BT was relatively easy at 8:30pm but with a nap so late...

the 3.5ish/30/4/1.5/4.5 schedule sounds good, I'll try that

[LovelyLilyandJack]

Buntybear - how are you getting on with shortening the second nap and EWs? 

We're doing alright here - seem to have properly settled into one nap now with good night time sleep and a consistent 2 - 2.5 hr nap at lunchtimes now.  It's heaven after so much chopping and changing!  Not ready to leave this thread yet though.  I can't see how we can go back to 2 naps now cos she needs too much A time even after a teeny nap, but have been managing naps for the transition for so long it feels a bit soon to assume it's all over with!

[Buntybear]

Hi Lovelylily, thanks for asking! It is going OK. Had a 20min nap yesterday and a 7am WU - good times. He ended up in my bed last night as he tossed and turned for hours - bad times. I think he had wind (allergies?? can't think what we had that it could have been though  )

He had his first settling in session at nursery today. They seem to prefer 1 long nap after lunch. They have lunch at 11.30 and Olly goes down around 11.15 normally so makes sense for him. Still nervous about how they are going to get him to sleep though. We have such a consistent and successful wind down routine any change might be too much! And nervous about OT and EWs. Shall just have to wait and see how it pans out.

[Daylene]

CC ~ as was mentioned earlier from Sherry Lynn, a 4 hour A time after a 20-30 minute catnap is REALLY long.  Too long for most LO's.  Probably be better to try 3 hours after the catnap.

[LovelyLilyandJack]

Bunmtybear - Lilys nursery prefer one nap after lunch too, though as we were in the midst of 2-1 when she started, they were quite good about following my routine (or whatever I told them it was that day) while we got to one nap.  They also do lunch at 11.30 and Lily naps at 12ish at the latest there.

On days where she woke up too early to make a 12pm nap, we put her back down an hour after waking (APOPing if we had to) so she could get an extra bit of sleep to tide her over. Or we would insist on 2 naps and tell them the times to do (I would write a note and put it in her lunchbox).  Sometimes she finished nursery for the week a teeny bit OT, but we always recovered quite quickly - we just took advantage of early BT where we could (no bath often), and made sure she had an easy day once nursery was over for the week and that got her back on track.  How many days will Olly be in nursery?

[Buntybear]

He will be in for 3 days a week. He STTN but woke at 5.30 this morning. Didn't get him up till 6.30 but wouldn't be able to do 1 nap on that.

[~Karen~]

Claire - We're playing the ew game as well.  I left him for an hour in bed and he was chatting away to himself but started getting a bit more vocal and didn't want him waking the others up so bought him in with me.  He then proceeded to fall back to sleep in my bed