Anyone Want To Talk About the 2-1 Transition? Thread #13

[~Karen~]

Thanks Kirry.  We're a bit all over the place right now.  I have school runs at 830am, 12pm and 3pm then after school activities on a Tues/Weds/Thurs.  He's def not ready to go to one nap but just not quite sure how to play things.  I'm quite grateful we managed to get to 11 months so smoothly with two other young kids!  He was up quite early today so will def be two naps, hoping they're decent ones.

[Buntybear]

Hi ladies, didn't mark my spot and now too many pages to remember everything but hugs to those of you going through rough times xxx

We are going for 2 naps days now but are starting to get EWs. Is this commen for 2 nap days? He wakes grumpy and is then OT for rest of day (well this is based on yesterday) - we are on 2nd day of EW today.

EWs are new to me so I am not sure what to do. I know I have seen to extend 1st A time bug this is already his longest so don't think that is the problem. Is it too much DT sleep now? Maybe time to cap 2nd nap?

Help please. Feel like we have replaced long NWs with EWs!

[Daylene]

Thanks, Bugs.  I didn't get a lay-in (never do) but something probably just as good.  Didn't have to work last night so, after putting the 3-year-old to bed, at 7:07pm, went to bed myself.

BB ~ wish I could help you with the EW's!  It seems like every LO on this thread is having those lately!

Ccaawc ~ welcome   What you can do is to give one nice long nap during the day and one short catnap -- maybe 20-30 minutes.  Because your LO sounds like she wants her longest A time in the evening, it would probably be best to give the catnap first.  In that case, you don't have to stretch out the first A time at all.  Just as long as she will still go to sleep, you can keep it around 3.5-ish, but if she starts to resist her first nap, then you might want to stretch the first A time a bit.  After a 20-minute catnap, your daughter will probably be tired enough for the second nap much sooner than she would before, so you can pull it back earlier in the day.  So, your EASY would look something like this:  3.5A / 20min S / 4A / long S / 4.5A.  You might find that on this schedule, she would need a shorter A time before bed as well; it wouldn't hurt to try, anyway.  At any rate, if she can handle A times of 4.5-5 hours, you might want to try a one-nap day every now and then and see how it goes.  You LO might be closer to transitioning than you thought.  Ladies, please feel free to jump in; I'm hardly the expert here!

[lilly_kitt]

I have no idea whats going on with Ty today, last night he woke at 2am and was wide awake, laughing and bouncing in his cot for 2 hours.  This morning he woke at 6.50 and is still going !!!  Hubs has tried to put him down since 10.30-11 and he's not having any of it !!!  OT cycle maybe ??  Any ideas how to get back on track ??  He's home with hubs until Thurs when he's in nursery for 2 days.

xx

[sherry lynn]

The only thing I have to add is that is A LOT of A time after a 20 min nap. 3 hours is the longest I've ever seen after 20 min. The Norm being closer to 2 - 2.5 hours.

The key is to put them Down AS SOON AS they are willing.

So it could look something like this

3.5 hours A time
20 min nap
3 hours A time
1.5-2 hour nap
4 hours A time, or more if needed.

Kirry - I don't have one for Emory   He has thrown a spanner in the works. He is teething and is refusing the breast, or even a sippy from me.

This was yesterday
Wake 5:15
Nap 40 min (put him down early on purpose, trying to combat OT and I figured if he took a short nap that could be good too)
In bed 3 hours later. Asleep in 5 minutes.
Slept 1h45m YEY!!!!!!!! However, it ended before 2pm.... booooo
In bed a tad before 6. Asleep at 6:20 is
NWing 10-11:15
Up for the day at 4:25. However, I was feeling very very very stubborn and I didn't let him out of bed until almost 6. We didn't come out of his room until 6:30 because he keeps waking up Lyle. GRRRRRRR....

What are you ideas. I would love to hear some ideas. Although I know that K is a little further than E in the transition.

We could only keep E up until 8am. He was such a bear. I guess 8.5 hours of night sleep will do that to a little guy. I was going to wake him, and then just chickened out. I am going by Eloys recent experience and going to try really hard to catch him up for 2 days.

[kimmbba]

We're having EW without the 5am sippy at the moment...although last night he STTN 12 hours but I think he was so crabby all day yesterday!  either teeth, OT or just not feeling well.

lily_kitt, my intstinct if he's up and playing at 2am is that he's UT.  How old is he again?

Jacki, good for you getting to sleep early!

[sherry lynn]

Oh, speaking of, I wanted to Share with Eloys - and anybody else who is finding this a trouble.

I found this really useful once I figured it out, and I was reminded of it with a comment from Elo on her thread.
She said something to the extend of it's the 3rd day so we might get a long NW.

I could let Lyle "catch up" for 2 days. If I let him nap long on the third day we would either get a PM nap refusal, or a VERY early waking. HE didn't do the long NW that a lot of our LOs are doing now.

So I think K and E are the same way. So it's ok to give them 2 long naps 2 days in a row, but then on the third/or 4th day we get the long NWings.

Now.... the same thing is true for OT.
I could only cap the AM nap for a few days in a row. IF I continually did it then we would started getting OT nonsense.

So we started a pattern of 2 or 3 days of longer naps, 2 or 3 days of shorter naps. repeat

Maybe that can be helpful to somebody.

[sianie]

lily_kitt - Agree with kim that awake & wanting to play during the night can indicate UT? How much DT sleep did he have yesterday? I think that with the NW he's then got himself OT today hence the nap resistance. How long did he nap for in the end?

Claire - what time was his EW? How much sleep had he had up to that point?

Sherry - do you think it's just teething causing E's EW's etc? Hope your day gets better!

[sherry lynn]

I'm not sure. He was medicated A LOT yesterday, and when he woke at 10, and then when he woke again at 4:25. So... I feel like he should have been able to go back to sleep if that was the issue. I think it's more that we've gotten into an OT cycle. Maybe I need to up the First A time again.... We had some pretty funky naps this week, followed by 10 hours or less a night.

However, it's the canines, so anything is possible about teeth at this point. He pretty much teethed most of his teeth together and DS1 got his molars and canines at the same time, so maybe Emory is too.

[lilly_kitt]

hiya, he's 14 months old. He slept for 1.5 all day yesterday, had to ap at 45 mins. Today he finally went down at 1.30 but only for an hour. Shall i just read his cues for bedtime or stick to 7pm ?

[sherry lynn]

Does he usually make sleep up at night?

[Buntybear]

Sherry, I am thinking of you as I know for are having a rough time xx

Sian - his BT was 8.30 and he was stirring just before 6am. Got him up and started day at 6.15am. Had 1 NW for a feed at 11.30, up for about 20 mins. 

[lilly_kitt]

Hiya

Not at all, he seems to want less and less sleep all the time.  I've no idea what to do about tonight, he's acting tired now but hasn't had his tea yet.  Maybe ust aim for 7 bedtime and see how tonight goes ? 

[Daylene]

Lol, of course you're right Sherry, about shorter A times after a 20-min catnap.  I totally forgot most kiddos are NOT like Tara in that regard.  The most I can chisel off her A time is perhaps 15 minutes.  Even after a short nap.  But what you said is definately the norm.  It just slipped my mind.

[lilybug25]

Had a very long nw last night but lo didn't wake up on her own, I was coming out of the bathrrrom at 12pm and tripped over my own feet and banged right into her door    , woke her right up took 2hrs to get her back to sleep, she got up at 6:30am as a result of it and I put her down at the 4hr A time, been just a hour and she just woke up, cranky  . Try to fit another nap in later today.