Anyone want to talk about the 3-2 Nap transition?

[atlantamomofthree]

Samuel's afternoon nap is ending around 3:30 generally (but yesterday we were out and he woke from his 2nd nap at 2:45- and then went to bed @ 7:10 last night ). His A times are normally 2hrs45min, 3hrs, and 3.5-4hrs.

CV, How were your naps and BT yesterday?

Do you guys still do the DF? Sam last ate last night at 5:30 and when I went to bed I just let him be instead of doing the DF and he slept until midnight, so 6.5 hrs (too long, you think?). Woke again at 3:00am to eat. It's 6:40am right now and he's still out. His normal WU time is 7:00 but a few mornings ago he started waking at 8-8:30 because of the later BT. Yesterday I woke him @ 7:00 to try to restore WU & BT. Will do again today if he isn't up by 7 because that'll be 12 hrs.

 

Early bedtimes are a lifesaver during a nap transition only if you have a baby who will use the early night to catch up and still wake at their usual time in the AM.

See, I still don't know how it might affect ds! I was willing to try last night but then he couldn't go to sleep. I fully intended on letting him go to sleep between 6 & 6:30, but he got wired! 

Whoops, it's 6:45 and I just heard him make little WU sounds. Almost 12 hours then.

[*Kara*]

Valerie - I don't have a baby that would tack on night sleep for the most part.. .didn't happen during the 3-2 at all!  I am only now able to put her down a touch early since the 2-1... sometimes it works, sometimes not!

[atlantamomofthree]

Tonight Samuel fell asleep at 7:20 and that was after getting him in bed by 7:00 (seems like a LONG time to me considering it used to be under 5min! ) When I first put him down he was all happy again like last night, kicking around and waving his arms like crazy!  But tonight I decided to see what would happen if I left him to it. He was FINE! When I had initially told dh that I was going to put him to bed at 7, he was surprised because Sam seemed so happy and alert, but I told him Samuel had been up for 3.5 hours and if I wait until he's truly, TRULY tired, then he gets OT and has a much harder time going to bed. And I was right! Happily he went down totally content and independent with no CN and no OT'ness! Progress, ladies!!!

[Curly Val]

CV, How were your naps and BT yesterday?

Our naps have been just fine through this whole transition (shortest 1 hour and 20 mins, longest 2 hours)  Its BT that sucks...
We have done EBT, baths, quiet time, white noise, no white noise, cuddles etc and nothing.  Tonight I reintroduced the paci (which had been gone) to keep her calm.  It still took 40 mins to settle her but I'd rather wake up in the night to a pleasant baby wanting a replug than a screaming worked up baby (she wakes the same as she goes down).  Lesser of two evils?  She woke at 8am and I got her in bed at 7:15, she was asleep by 8.

Lets see how tonight goes!

[Curly Val]

Me again!

Last night sucked!  She woke at 10:00, 10:45 (so I did the DF) then 2:15 (replugged, back to sleep 30 mins later) at 4:00 (took over an hour to get her back down, including a feed), then 7:20.  I'm SSSSOOOO tired!

Tonight tried a different since last night she just popped her soother out and whined until 8 I decided to have her ready for bed but not put her there until she started to get cranky, a late bed time?  At 7:50 she started to get cranky, I placed her in bed, she cried so I ended up given her the soother and she was out by 8:00.  So apparently through this transition my baby doesn't want EBTs?  Well we'll see how tonight goes!

CV

[atlantamomofthree]

Sorry Val. That's a lot of WU's! 

Maybe she's just going to have a later BT now? I have no idea how to go about changing a BT back. I am a go-with-their-schedule kind of mom, I guess.

For the last two nights Samuel has woken at 12am and 3am, again at 5:45 or 6:00 (but still a NF'ing) and back to sleep until close to 7am. I am thinking the 12 & 3 are habit even though he is quite hungry at both. I only feed one side because I am in such a sleepy state; if I were to feed both sides at midnight (or should I do a DF?) then maybe he'd go longer than 3am. Idk.

Today was weird with naps (my fault ) and his BT reflected it. He was asleep by 7:35.

[FPT23]

Kara,
Hahahaha, all short like tht huh, jrs not ot. Lol he's not huh!? Lol. He's ut!

But my naps are still ending no later than 2:30pm, Thts the issue. I'm pushing more and more though N making progress. He's doing great and napping at the same times, but, not enough to get him through bt. He can def do a 3hr AT tho so if I could get him to wake at a nap by 3pm ish, I'm golden....bt at 6. Not our ideal bt but for now.

Curly Val,
Agh, these ot moments can kill a night huh? NW stink and especially when they tk hrs! Ahhh. I'm not a pro but ebt wrks for us. Yes he fought them too at first but a little bit of APOP is worth it to help w those ebt. My son was used to bt at 7-8ish, so he def fought the 6pm bt. I'm. Not a fan but anything to get us through this. He needs the cn still but he's over it n wont tk it. I'm over it too. Think I'm just gna call it a day n skip it lol! If needed be, i'll tk him on a car ride on those restless days.

Nap transitions....fun huh

Atlantamomofthree,
Awesome! Progressing well! Good luck hope it sticks and ur out of this rut. Inspiration for the rest of us. Bah!

[FPT23]

Atlantamomofthree,

Pesky NW! If he's feeding and still acting hungry, I'd go with it and just feed? Perhaps a growth spurt? I thought my bby was just waking recently without being hungry and just habitual as well, bc he wasn't really eating, buuut, last night he started chugging it again, so I guess some nights they r hungry more than others?

He only eats once at night so I'm ok w it and hope ONE day he'll drop it soon. How's the progress? Still progressing? did u do a cn today?

I did an ebt bc he wouldn't tk his today. He woke at 2:30pm frm his last nap and we pd at 6:00am and he was out by 6:15! I pray for a WU of at least 6:30! No 5am plz! Ha

He fell asleep w no cring though. I hate this cn now haha.

[atlantamomofthree]

Well, I think I may need to reinstate the DF and that would eliminate the midnight feeding. I've been lazy at *my* BT tbh.

I had to wake him from his first nap this morning, after only 45 min, to go to a dr appt for dd, then he slept in the car on the way home for 30 min. This afternoon he took an hour nap from 3:30-4:30. So, a lot less daytime sleep than normal. BT was not the best, but his normal routine was all screwed up, so...tomorrow's another day!

Ugh, naps ending at 2:30 is way too early, isn't it?! 3:30 is cutting it almost too short here!  Can you extend A time by 15 min each for the two morning times, causing the nap to end at 3:00 in the afternoon?

[*Kara*]

Hahahaha, all short like tht huh, jrs not ot. Lol he's not huh!? Lol. He's ut!

But my naps are still ending no later than 2:30pm, Thts the issue. I'm pushing more and more though N making progress. He's doing great and napping at the same times, but, not enough to get him through bt. He can def do a 3hr AT tho so if I could get him to wake at a nap by 3pm ish, I'm golden....bt at 6. Not our ideal bt but for now.

I know you don't believe me, but he isn't OT.  He would not take a nap longer than 30 mins if he was OT hun.  He takes good naps.

Keep pushing his A times and he will adapt, it just takes a bit of time... I would actually aim for a touch longer A to BT than the rest of your A times during the day... if he does 3 hrs, nap, 3 hrs, nap, then maybe try 3 hrs 15 (if second nap is good).

Dropping the CN is horrid!

[caoimhe mum]

hi ladies i'm starting the process with my lo she is at 2.45 A time.  its torture. her first sleep isn't to bad generally 1h30min but the second nap is only 40mins so i end up in limbo of to give her the cat nap and push her bed time way off or don't do it.  i'm having loads of night wakings last night she woke at 9.30pm and you would swear there was somebody hurting her the screaming she was letting out of her, so i'm running in and she is fine easy enogh to resettle but at 4.30am she thought it was time to get up for the day.  took me ages to get her back to sleep and finally did and she woke 10 mins later.  so i fed her to sleep. 

she isn't even 6 months yet it seems like a long A time for her age but it all suggests that she is undertired.  ihave alway battled with the short nap monster so it may just be that her A time was alway to low??? 

[oliversmommy]

Caoimhe mum - your LO sounds a lot like mine, altho DS is 7 mos old.  Naps have almost always been short; I've been pushing out his morning A time and the last two days got 1 hr 30 min first naps - however have never gotten a long second nap - it's always 40-45 min (still trying to figure out that second A time) and therefore we have too long until BT (but not long enough to fit in a CN) - the classic 3:2 transition dilemma!  I've tried an earlier BT but DS just takes longer to fall asleep so his A time always ends up being too long. . .we've also been dealing with multiple NW for months now (and last week two horrible EW) and I'm sure this transition time is not helping that situation. 

So caoimhe mum and the rest of you ladies - I feel your pain! 

Question - what do you do if DS won't take an EBT to make up that sleep???

[FPT23]

Kara,

Today I did just 2naps and I'm done w the cn. If bt is gna be horrible bc he's ot for a little bit, so be it. I'm over it! Lol.

Today this was his EASY:

WU: 6:00

E 6:30
A
S 8:30-10:15

E 10:30
A
S 1:00-2:45

E 3:00
A
S (BT- pd at 6:00...a little yelling but I calmed him dwn and he fell asleep by 6:30pm)

I'm just sick of the cn haha. I think I needed to be fed up to just call it a day. I'm currently extending his first AT still. So it's gna stink bc at the same time to skip the cn, I'm going to have to extend the last AT too.

He may be a mess but I'm done w it haha, I'm over it and he is too.

Right now his morning AT is at 2.5, I'm going to wait until he gets this a bit more, and then push again. I don't know how he's going to do it but we're just gna do it! Tht last AT today was about 3.5 agh, I'm expecting ew and bad night.

I don't know I hope I'm on the right track. A lot of ot headed my way!

[*Kara*]

FPT23 - YAY!!!  SO glad you are just taking the leap.  Jr is totally ready (even if he doesn't think he is some days).    There will be tough days but just muddle through as best you can and know that it will get better!  Give it a couple weeks and he will have adjusted nicely.  Great EASY today!  Two awesome naps in there!  You are well on your way!  Don't worry about his last A time being 3.5 hrs... DD was doing 4 hrs at his age   and that was on a 90 min nap!

hi ladies i'm starting the process with my lo she is at 2.45 A time.  its torture. her first sleep isn't to bad generally 1h30min but the second nap is only 40mins so i end up in limbo of to give her the cat nap and push her bed time way off or don't do it.  i'm having loads of night wakings last night she woke at 9.30pm and you would swear there was somebody hurting her the screaming she was letting out of her, so i'm running in and she is fine easy enogh to resettle but at 4.30am she thought it was time to get up for the day.  took me ages to get her back to sleep and finally did and she woke 10 mins later.  so i fed her to sleep.

Welcome!  How long is your second A time now?  Are you doing the same 2 hrs 45 all day?  If you get a nap of 90 mins , I would push to 3 hrs for the second A time and see if that nap pushes out after a few days of the increased time.  If she does take a short nap, try putting her down for the night about 30 mins earlier than usual... keep things low key for the last hour or so to avoid OS at bedtime and you should be okay

As for that 930pm screamfest - looks like the OT monster

[FPT23]

I'm taking it!!!!!!!!!

Wish me luck, Bc the patience for this cn to go away has had a long ways coming! I'm over it!!!

He did just short nap me for his first morning nap.........................

Err.

Wat do I do on this day? (30mins)