Support Thread for 2 to 1 nap transition cont.

[Nauvoo]

Calebsmummy, we were up at 5:30 this morning and had a 9.5 hour night as well except this is the 3rd day in a row.  All, at the moment, is lost here!

[kayra]

sorry to interrupt everyone to have a moan! Since christmas we have been everywhere with naps and no tricks of the trade seem to be working. tried cutting the am nap, still refusing pm nap, tried keeping the am nap long this time decided to shorten it himself and still refused pm nap, tried 1 nap didnt sleep long enough.... I've been afraid to cut the am nap more incase he wouldnt sleep in the pm, today lo and behold gave him 35min in the am, he has been talking to himself in bed for over 2 hours!!!!! you'd think you'd sleep for lack of anything else to do wouldnt you!!!!! he settles for a few minutes then starts again. The most frustrating thing is that I'm stuck at home trying to get this nap mess sorted day after day, but still none the wiser than I was 3 weeks ago and in the meanwhile not getting other stuff done. I think he's finally gone to sleep-at the time I was expecting him to be up!
I think tomorrow I'm just going to try 1 nap and try juggle that from now on, trying for 2 just is not happening. At least I've managed to get some work done while he's been discussing the meaning life with himself!
feel better now, thanks

[MomofCharlie]

It looks as though I've come to the right place. My DS2 will be a year tomorrow, and is showing all the signs of being ready to BEGIN the 2-1 switch. Doing it with DS1 seems like ages ago (but only in 2008), so I'll put a marker here so I can get to know everyone and possibly share and look for support and learn from your experiences, and, of course, empathize!!

Allison

[*Jo*]

well we had nap refusal again yesterday so went to bed after 7 hours A time!!!!!! at 6.30pm, woke up at 7.30 and i had to resettle him but then slept till 7am, im a bit worried as hes handling the A time ok but not when its time for sleep, he even cried at bedtime last night, threw his book across the room, he never does that, loves his book time so im really worried OT is starting to creep in, but i cant get him to stay awake longer than 4 hours in teh AM!!! and then he does a 1.5 hour nap and its about 6 hours till bedtime, how do i fix this?? Ive tried cutting the AM nap down to 45mins and still no PM nap and a majorly grumpy boy from being woken up at 45mins!

[gavinsmum1]

Hi ladies, I'm joining the board over here.  From reading the last couple of pages, it seems like everyone's routines are going haywire!!  Calebsmummy, my eldest (at 14 months) went down to one nap and at first he was doing:
wake 7
nap 10:30-12:00
bedtime 6:30 or 6:45

He had a LOOOOOONG A time after that nap, but after a few weeks, things were smooth sailing.  There was the odd morning when he needed 20 min, like teething or illness, but eventually we got that nap around 12:00 and then finally 1 pm.  You're not that far off at all!
Here's what we're doing with Jesse:
wake 6
nap 10ish-10:30
nap 2-3
bedtime 7

This is obviously not working, but that's how it's worked out the last couple of days.  He'll go down for that am nap fine, but his pm nap he'll either go down nicely and then wake promptly an hour later or he'll wriggle around after being put down and then wake an hour and 15 min later.  We've tweaked a lot of A times to try and figure this out, but it is just stinky over here.  AND we've still only got 2 teeth.  We're in for some trouble!!!!

[greenteamomma]

sounds like this is just the way it is supposed to be!  If everyone is in the same pickle! HUGS to all of you!

Well, they say third days a charm!  My son is at daycare all day today and hopefully will nap for atleast one nap.  He refused his am nap both morning and I rushed him home to give him a proper pm nap.  Now today I said enough if you go down for me you can go down for her!  She is going to call if he doesn't nap by 1pm and I will go over and get him to nap THERE!  OMG, home alone losing my mind! 

He's been doing the pm nap for 2 hrs but going to bed at 6:00.  I need him to sleep past 5 am.  Any idea how to move the day forward at all?  He ususally does 11 hrs so he's not doing EW.   

This was yesterday
wake 5:00
nap 1 refused!
nap 2 11:35 till 1:35
bed at 5:55 but didn't settle till 6:20 with DH patting his bum in crib!
wake this morning 4:55. 

[MomofCharlie]

Oh, so glad to have others with whom to comiserate!!
DS2 is a year old today... since the new year, our days have looked like this:

wake: 5 am (!!!!!!!!!!)
nap 1: 8:30 or 9 to 10:30 or 11 (falls asleep in car on the way home from bringing DS1 to preschool; transfers to crib no problem)
nap 2: 3-ish, for about an hour, although refusing more and more often.
bed: between 6:30 and 7, depending on whether he took nap 2.
No NWs, but these EWs are killing us!!

Today might be the dawn of a new era, though. Slept til 6:15, didn't fall asleep in the car, and stayed up for a full 4 hours!! It's now 11:45 and he's still sleeping. If he stays asleep for another 45 minutes or so, I think it'll be only one nap again today, I won't even try for nap 2. DS2 is a true Angel baby, so I'm wondering if it just might be this easy for us? I doubt it, I'm sure we'll have to finnagle this bit by bit... but for now, I'm going to pretend we did the 2-1 nap switch in a day.

Allison

[greenteamomma]

Allison, then what time would you put him to bed tonight?

[Nauvoo]

Well I need some support in a bit of advice.
My LO's routine looks like this:
wake 7am
nap #1 10:30-11:00
nap #2 2:30 - 3:45ish
bed 8pm

I'm trying to push out the morning A time because I have to do some pretty severe AP just to get it in at 3.5 hours.  And after 30minutes am nap another 3.5 hours A time used to be perfect but not anymore!!!  Now were pushing 3.75hrs A time between naps and I even had to do some AP to get that today   Not good!  We're really working on cramping our day in. 
So, if I push out the morning A time do you all think that she'd be more tired for her pm nap?  I'm really doubting it myself.  What should my next routine adjustments look like??  I really think that if we went with 4 hours morning A time she would have no problem whatsoever.  Is it a bad idea to just jump to 4 hours or should I take it in steps?  This whole process is just so frustrating

[*Jo*]

nauvoo - we are on 4 hours A time but it is the long AM nap so our day goes like this

wake 7am
nap 1 11-12.30
nap 2 4.30-5 (if it happens)
bed 8pm

though lately its been hit and miss with the pm nap and asleep anywhwere from 6.30-7.30pm *sigh*

we had vaccinations the other day so im sure this has messed him up a bit too, apparantly the 12 month ones are pretty bad and mess them uip for about 2 weeks!! all my friends said their babies were so unsettled for 2 weeks afterwards. anyway yesterday was interesting, i pushed his morning nap to 4 hours 15 A time and got a 1 hour 20min nap which usually means UT but if we do a 4 hour A time we get 1.5 hours so i dont know, then he fell asleep in the car at 3.75 hours A time and only slept 25mins, woke up crying! so in bed by 7.20pm last night, woke up twice through the night where I had to help him back to sleep and slept till 7am

[MomofCharlie]

Greenteamomma,
Bed at 6:40
It worked great yesterday... he slept from 10:10 am to 1:25 pm, then plowed through til 6:40. Up this morning at 5:30 (ick), but stayed up without issue til 10 am, and is now napping. We'll see how it goes.

Nauvoo, you're thinking in the right direction, I think, about moving your LO to a 4-hour A time. How old is she?
I'd make the move gradually to 4 hours (although my DS2 was able to increase A time in half-hour chunks, they're all so different!). You could do it with quiet snuggle book time, which can stretch the A time but hopefully not get her OT. That move may very well bring the two naps together into one nice big one. You might have to make bedtime earlier so A time isn't too long in the afternoon, but it sure must be great to sleep in til 7 am!!! (insert friendly jealousy here... we're up at 5 or 5:30 most days )

HTH
Allison

[Flightmommy]

Hi Ladies!
  Well, i'm officially jumping on to this board....DS turns 1 tomorrow!! Where has the time gone??? We've been riding the bumpy 2-1 road for awhile now and im so glad to have had the help and support of the 2-1 board for babies. Our ideal routine is the long am /short pm...been working beautifully, then a couple of weeks ago, we threw in some travel, just for fun, you know and then the cold/stomach flu hit us hard and we are still recovering from all of that...last weekend was by far the worst, DS, who almost never has NW's, was up from 1am to 5:30am!!!,first 2 hours were all play and then he started vomitting!! poor little bub...fortunately that ended the next day, but then the diahrea started and we've not yet seen the end of it...just trying to keep him hydrated and well rested, but he doesn't have much of an appetite. Needless to say, he is beyond fussy and miserable, nothing I do seems to please him...hoping he cheers up a bit for his bday, or at the very least, for his party on sat.
  We've been having more and more days with pm nap refusal and I just don't know where to tweak...we are running out of daytime hours!! lol!!...can't put him down earlier in the am, he will just have a UT nap and if I push the pm nap any later, well, we're just getting into nightime sleep. I feel like the 1 nap switch is getting closer and closer....it's almost scary and i don't even know why? lol!
  Calebsmummy, when you say the 1yr vaccination caused him to be unsettled, do you mean in terms of sleep, or just mood in general?? we are booked for next week and i just can't imagine him getting any more "unsettled" than he's been lately...sighhh!!

[greenteamomma]

Hi flightmommy!  Ugg, I hear you we had that flu too!  It was awefull.  Now he has recovered and is eating me out of house and home! 
We are on day 4 of daycare, second day of full day and so far, no am nap!  I have him tomorrow and for the weekend but he gets his 1 yr shots tomorrow  morning so fun weekend!  I hope to have him catch up on some naps.  Happily, he woke several times but went back to sleep and slept till 5:55 this morning.  Our latest in two whole long long months!   Of course I didn't sleep cause I was in his room 4 times before 5 am!  You think kids really understand us? for the first time I included in my time to sleep phrase its too early momma and appa are sleeping go back to sleep...and he did?  LOL
Looks like we are all unsettled and all over the board....sometimes I wonder why I bother to tweak....moms who don't do BW don't worry about how many hours in the am vs the pm etc!   

[Flightmommy]

You're so right about the non BW moms...i'll sometimes ask them how long their LO's awake times are and they'll just look at me blankly, or say that they don't really know, that they're LO's "just do whatever"
  I can't wait till Caleb gets better from this nasty flu and wants to eat me out of house and home too!!! LOL!!

[*Jo*]

Flightmommy - Caleb was unsettled by way of mood and sleep, really irritable, not sure what he wanted, maned, grizzled, cried, appeared tired but wasn't and then became OT and refused some naps, crying at bedtime which he never does and woke a couple of times in the night which he also never does. A friendof mine said the only way she culd settle her boy was to let him sleep with her at night and put him in a swing in the day