Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #19

[lily528]

Oh that's what I thought. Because of teething?  Ava hasn't been eating much lately either. Teething for sure. Another night of crying out and going back to sleep. :/. 6:50-6:50 that seems to be her regular wake up time now 6:45-7am around there. Not looking forward to DLS this weekend. Going to try extending everything a bit starting with BT tonight. Hopefully that helps. Trick or treat was so cute last night. Going to change my picture when I get to work in a few mins.

Good luck today ladies!!!

[lily528]

oh man looks like my lucky streak may have hit a bump :/  mom just called Av is up and whining at 1 hr 15 mins   I told her to let her go a bit and see what she does...fingers crossed..but with that teething may not be good...

[lily528]

nope not good..short nap today :/  looks like EBT for us...guess they all can't be great days right?

choc and smurfette how are you guys doing?  wondering about ya's!

[choc]

I really need some help and advice girls.  Today Aidan slept 1hr30 for his nap today at childminders which to me is great.  However she said he was really, really miserable and crying a lot leading up to it, from around 10.30.  She didn't seem happy about doing it again and obviously I don't want him to be unhappy.  She said she'll have to play it by ear.  Also tomorrow (and every wednesday) I collect him from her at 12.45pm which obviously isn't a great time and I have no idea what to do.

Is it possible for him to have a completely different routine with 2 naps at CMs and 1 nap when with me?

I am so bloody confused.  I feel like a bad mum after she said how miserable he was on his new routine, but he hasn't been like that with me.  I just don't know what to do for the best.  Please help me, feeling really down about this as things were good last week when I had him to myself!

[Sofsheds]

Hi All,
im new to this forum and just posted on the introductions board and got directed to this thread.
Just wondered if there was anyone with some advice.
My lo is 10 months old for the past 3 weeks naps have been all over the place but will generally have one mn at 10 for 30 mins and a an at 1 for 1hr 30 mins then bed at 6:30. But this past week has been awful naps are 30 mins lo cries everytime im even near the cot and where getting really random night wakings and early mornings.
I spoke to my hv this morning who suggested that lo sounds ready for 1 nap but im so confused as dont want lo to get rediculously ot!
I have tried earlier naps but still get 30 mins, can 30 mins also mean undertired?
If lo wakes at 5:30 i leave her as she is quite happy to babble and usually drifts back off from 6:00-6:30. so when do you think i should try the first nap?
Sorry for all the qu's i feel like ive exhausted all avenues and am feeling rather low.
Sofie

[lily528]

awe gemma...well you mentioned your child minder has other kids to watch too...is it at all possible to find someone else?  doesn't seem like much of your dealings with her really works for you and Aidan..hope that doesn't sound awful...just thought if it were possible it may be worth looking into.  Not saying there is anything wrong with her but if her running around and caring for others is affecting her caring for Aidan maybe you can find a better match?  I assume you are paying her right?  so you really should be getting what you need out of her and what you feel is best for him you know?  just a thought...

otherwise I'd say you really should 't have two different schedules..that is very confusing and I can't see him ever falling into it you know?  I don't really know what other advice I could give..maybe someone else on here has something better for you?  sorry gemma that you are feeling so low right now...you are sooo not a bad mom...you are working so hard to get him the sleep he needs...not every mom does that...take some deep breaths...I don't think his nap was that awful today either...it's better than the two 30 min naps he was doing...more restful...maybe something else was bothering him today?

[lily528]

welcome sofie,  ha I swear its the age...i feel for ya.  I honestly wouldn't go for one nap just yet.  IMO I'd put that off as late as possible...10 mos is a little young...not unheard of though but still I'd keep trying for two at this point...

have you ever tried the 2,3,4?  I never have because I didn't know about it back then, otherwise i totally would have and it works for many babies that age...so for you with the morning start of 6:30 and say you got two 1.5 hr naps each day  it would look sort of like this...


6:30am start of day
8:30-10:00am 1st nap (2 hrs from start of day)
1:00-2:30pm 2nd nap (3 hrs from end of 1st nap)
6:00pm BT (4 hrs from end of 2nd nap)


hope that made sense

some have done 3,3,4 or 2,3,5...you have to see what works for you but as a general rule 2,3,4 is a good place to start anyway...and like we say on here you HAVE TO GIVE IT TIME TO WORK...please don't try something new every other day...we are all guilty of it in our anxiety of trying to get the best sleep for them...but often times it is very confusing to them.  this is really sleep TRAINING...and like anything else it takes time to train the body to do something you know? 

good luck and i'm sure these ladies will have great advice for you...

[choc]

Welcome Sophie!

Melissa, I don't have any problems with her really.  She didn't have any other children today to look after and that doesn't seem to be the problem as he didn't need resettling and took a good nap for him.  Its more the fact that he seemed to struggle to get to the nap and she wasn't happy to keep him up when he was tired.  I'll just have to pray that he is happier tomorrow.

[Sofsheds]

Thank you for your reply Lily,
Yeah i really dont think lo is ready for 1 nap but i think im just searching for a solution to such short naps!
Just a question but if your lo was undertired at nap time and you tried to put down for a nap would they cry im wondering if its this or just developmental? the thing with 2,3,4 is that for months now we have been doing 2.5,3,4.5 and lo has been great with this literally from 5 months till now so im not sure about going backwards iykwim? this morning and yesterday i tired 3hrs a time but still cried maybe i should do 3.5,3.5,3.5? or does this completly not work?
sorry for all the qu's just soooo tired.
x

[lily528]

I only said that about her caring for others because you mentioned before she'd have to keep him up til 12:45 or something because she had others to drop to school...or something like that...correct me if i am wrong...also you feeling you need two different schedules for him to be there and then when he's with you.  

so she felt like he need a 2nd nap then you think? 1 hr 30 mins isn't awful...and you can try to do EBT...if that works for you guys...he is still fairly new on this schedule so not everyday is going to go smoothly and as i said maybe  something else was bothering him and they do say some days during the beginning of the transition they need 2 naps....maybe you can just lay out a schedule and if you feel she is capable tell her you leave it up to her discretion if she feels she needs to run off the schedule a little...what do you think?  is she able to call you or you call her and do check ins?  that is what I do with my mom...maybe that would make things a little easier....

[lily528]

sofie,

    Well most times what has been working for months takes a turn and no longer works...what was working about it?  was it the schedule you listed prior 30 min a.m. and 1.5 hr pm?  does she show tired signs? 10 and 1 are pretty common nap times for that age I think...I really don't know what other advice to give you other than maybe watch for tired signs...I had some success in doing that with my dd...one day i just kept a close watch on her and the moment she showed disinterest in playing...or started yawning or rubbing her eyes i'd put down...this worked well for us for some time up until the 2-1 transition...and over time it did become a routine of nearly the same times each day...if i remember correctly it was something like 10:30 and 3...hope someone else chimes in for you...good luck

[*Kara*]

Sofsheds - sounds to me like you are certainly headed to one nap, but like Melissa said, you aren't quite there yet.  My DD was exactly the same, 2 1.5 hr naps for months!  Then it went down the toilet fast  I would try doing a catnap and a longer nap...

Maybe try doing this for example -
7am wake
10:30am - CN for 45 mins
1:30pm - 3pm: Nap #2
7pm BT

You may have to pull that second nap earlier if LO gets too sleepy... some babies can do a full A time on 45 mins but others simply can't.

As for us - My 12 hour nights are gone!  Ugh.  I am still getting a solid 11 hrs with no NW's though and a 2-2.5 hr nap so it's fine with me!  We had her one year checkup today and she is 19.5 lbs and 29 inches

[lily528]

kara that still sounds great to me too...we still have 12 hr nights and were getting 2 hr naps but today was way short...1hr 15 mins...thinking teeth maybe but it didn't seem to get in the way the last 2 days during naps...i dunno...

[*Kara*]

We have teething too   #6 is at the gum line and she is chewing on everything like a rabid dog!

[choc]

Yes nap won't be til 12.30 because of her school run but that would be the same with all childminders.  I didn't think it would be a problem really when he goes back to his usual wake up time.  
I agree I need a plan to give her for when she feels he won't make it to his 1 nap time.  I just hope it doesn't end up being every day he is there. We can't do check ins as I am a teacher and can't answer my phone til lunch time.
 I'm sure it is the clock changing that has caused this as he is so tired from having less night sleep.  Then he is struggling to make it to his nap time.  If he wasn't  crying and grumpy this morning then there would be no problem as he actually slept well.