Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #19

[lily528]

awe mine is very whiny and ....tempermental (my moms words lol) and as i said crying out during the night but hasn't really woken or called for me, just flops back down and goes right back to sleep so I guess that's good...may have to give some meds at bedtime tonight.  tough day to have a short nap as I work and it's very hard to get her home and in bed by 6 by I am certainly going to try and hope to god it's not an early morning..tomorrow is another day...not good timing with DLS coming so soon either....blah

[lily528]

Gemma,

    gotcha...so do you do nap time at 12:30 when he's with you too?  how many days will you have to come get him at 12:45?  that definitely interferes with nap time huh?  must be frustrating :/  I agree I think he did a descent nap today and i'm sure the time change definitely has played a part...try not to stress too much just yet...give him a few more days to get use to the time change but give her a LAST RESORT plan and make sure she knows you'd rather he did the one nap and only do two if she feels its ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY if that is what you want

[choc]

I have beem doing 12 pm nap, he will only have it at 12,30 on a monday. A wednesday is the only day I pick him up at 12.45.  I will try to make it 12.30 I think to start with anyway.
You're right it is so frustrating.  Yes I will stress to her that the 2 nap plan is only for emergencies, good thinking!  Thanks so much for this, just talking it through helps so much. 
Right I think I will tell her that if he is really really struggling then to give him a snack to tide him over and put him down early.  Then do a CN in the pm (as I don't get home for EBT).  I am just really hoping that he gets over the clock change before he goes back to her on monday as tomorrow is the last day this week he is with her.

[clairebear79]

Melissa - could be teething, but waking repeatedly at night crying but resettling fairly quickly, and short naps of 1h 15 can also be a sign of OT.  It could be she is building up a bit of OT from the transition.  I would just keep a close eye on her, offer EBT's if she short naps (like I see you are doing today) & hopefully she will get through it.  She seems to be coping really well with it so far.

Gemma - (((hugs))) I'm sorry I don't have much advice but I have total sympathy & understanding.  O is also really struggling with the long A times & has been incredibly tired.  We kept him up til 8pm for the clocks changing & he was up the next day at 4.45am.  I have persevered with the 5hr A time, 1 nap & EBT every day & we have been doing this for 15 days now.  We are getting shortish naps of around 1.5hrs, occasionally a touch more, but he is absolutely shattered, waking repeatedly in the evening & from 3/4am onwards & getting around 10hrs at night which is very low for him. Today he was at his grandma's & was due to nap at 10.30am, but he practically fell asleep in his highchair at 9am so she put him straight to bed.  He slept 30mins (OT nap for him) & so he ended up having 2 naps today.  And he was soooo much happier tonight when I came home from work so I know its what he needed.  Yes it is best to stay with the routine as much as possible so their bodyclocks get used to it, but there are many, many mums on here who will tell you they needed to throw in the odd 2 nap day to stop OT from building up during the transition.  If you really want to stay with the 1 nap (as I do agree its less confusing to their bodyclocks) then I would really advocate an earlier BT.  You might find he will get less OT that way, & this will hopefully stop the EW.

WRT an emergency plan for childminder, if she felt he really needed it, could she give him a really short nap of say 10-15mins max at 9.30/10am & then do his nap at around 12.30?  At least that way he has a bridging nap to get him through to his usual naptime, AND you get to keep the long nap at the same time as he takes it at home?  Ooh or if you could do it at 10am then it might just nudge his nap a touch later to 1 ish & then that would mean you could pick him up ok?  Just a thought.

[choc]

Thanks for the understanding Claire.  On monday he was up at 5.30am so I told her to do virtually the same thing you said, short early nap and then put down again in the afternoon.  So she woke him after 30 mins in the am but he only did 30mins in the pm too!  He doesn't ever have a long afternoon nap, only ever 30mins since about 5 months old.  Thats why I will tell her to put him down earlier and let him sleep as long as he likes then CN in the pm.  Hope that makes sense!
Unfortunately I don't get home in time for EBT on those days but I would do it if it was a day I wasn't at work.

[lily528]

claire...yea didn't really think of OT cause she has been doing 12 hr sttn (minus the 30 sec. cry outs here and there) and giving 2-2.5 almost 3 hr naps on some days...today was the first short nap in quite a while..I will definitely be doing EBT tonight and hope it helps..

I HAVE noticed these wakings with a quick resettle did start when I extended the BT to 6:45-7.  I was doing almost daily 6pm EBT's when she had short naps but then when the 2-3 hr naps kicked in I brought her to 7pm...could it just be adjustment maybe? 

[ZacsMumme]

(HUGS) Gemma You are not a bad mum, you are awesome and you know him better than a silly CM!!! DO you think if your CM PD earlier nd he did a good nap that he would take a late PM CN or just do EBT to get through those days?

 

welcome sofie,  ha I swear its the age...i feel for ya.  I honestly wouldn't go for one nap just yet.  IMO I'd put that off as late as possible...10 mos is a little young...not unheard of though but still I'd keep trying for two at this point...

Agree, its a tough age really and  I think we went through a bit of a regression here at this point. As Kara says too your LO sounds like heading to 1 nap.
(HUGS) with EW we are getting them again Z drifts in and out too. I think you are doing the right thing leaving here in the cot if she is okay with it.
I think karas routine looks like it would work for you...but maybe start with the A at 3hrs she is used to 2.5 first up (or try 2.45mins for a few days then increase to 3 etc)

The main things to remember Sofie are that
A) the 2-1 doesnt last forever! and
B) Its okay to have long days and shorter nights as this will happen until your LO can manage 1 nap solidly...this can take months.
Oh and you will have some sh%t days, but thats okay too because you can nome on here to moan!

[*Kara*]

The main things to remember Sofie are that
A) the 2-1 doesnt last forever! Smiley and
B) Its okay to have long days and shorter nights as this will happen until your LO can manage 1 nap solidly...this can take months. Kiss
Oh and you will have some sh%t days, but thats okay too because you can nome on here to moan!

SO TRUE!!!  That heavens it doesn't last forever! 

Our days got to be almost 14 hours before we made the leap to 1 nap... they stretch out cause LO just can't manage the A times needed for 1 nap days but they still need a good A time to have a decent nap... it's a vicious cycle for a month or two!  You know it's time to make the switch when LO is just grumpy all day cause you are constantly waking them up from naps and their nights are getting really short again (we got to 9 hrs 45 min).

So... I thought that our good long naps of 2.5 - 3 hrs and 11.5-12 hr nights had been replaced with 2 hr naps and 11 hr nights (back to her normal 13 hrs/day of sleep), but... I had DH wake her at 215pm (2 hrs 40 mins of nap time) and she was BEGGING to go to bed by 6pm!  WTF!?  I had to inhale my dinner and had her bathed, bottled and down asleep at 655pm.  I suspect that tooth #6 is going to cut tonight or tomorrow - teething makes her super sleepy for a few days before hand.  It's either that or the fact that she is crawling like a madwoman now

Yes it is best to stay with the routine as much as possible so their bodyclocks get used to it, but there are many, many mums on here who will tell you they needed to throw in the odd 2 nap day to stop OT from building up during the transition.

ME ME!!!  We have had the odd 2 nap day - though they can be a messy thing if you haven't had an EW to start with...

[lily528]

EBT at 6:15 last night woke at 6 this morning. And really no cry outs last night....maybe 1. Sooo whiny this morning though :/ going to be a long day. Hopefully she makes it to the 11:30 nap because lately she had been waking at 6:45-7. So it's a longer A today.

[choc]

Things still not great here.  The CM said he was really whingy and upset and OT all morning.  So now I am thinking of my options.  He is now with me til monday so I have 4 days.  Should I see what he is like tomorrow morning and if he is as she says he is then put him down early for a 2 nap day?  I'm sure the OT is because of the clocks changing so maybe it won't take long for him to catch up?  And maybe an EBT tonight too?  Then see how he is again on Friday?  I'm just aftraid he will take 2 short naps again on his catch up day which will defeat the object!

Sara I think he would take a late CN if she put him down earlier.  I am going to tell her to do that, but that if he is ok then keep him up.  Hopefully that way he will catch up and then have most days where he is ok for 1 nap.

[clairebear79]

EBT at 6:15 last night woke at 6 this morning. And really no cry outs last night....maybe 1.

Sounds like that's what she needed.  At least she slept a decent night for you.

I'm just aftraid he will take 2 short naps again on his catch up day which will defeat the object!

Gemma - can I ask what A time he was doing inbetween his naps when he used to do the 2x 30min naps on his old routine?  Just wondered if you tweaked that a bit whether you would have more success in getting a longer PM nap so you CAN have a decent 2 nap routine to fall back on.

[choc]

I tried every A time going and 30 min pm nap was all he would ever do from about 5months.  He always did longer am nap.  Then that turned to 30/40mins too, regardless of A time.

[choc]

Thinking back to what I wrote earlier.  Tomorrow, should I see how he is and put him down earlier and try for 2 naps if needed or should I keep pushing the 1 nap and hope he has settled back into it by monday when he goes back to cm?
Today he only slept 1hr10. OT??  I will try the EBT for the first time.  Please tell me he won't wake early as I will have no idea how to play the day then!

I have til monday to get him less OT so he can have his 1 nap at the CM.

[lily528]

sigh i'm right there with you gemma...1 hr today...omg I don't know what has happened to my 2+ hr naps but I miss them terribly...i haven't pulled her out of her crib yet but she's pretty much up...just sitting there...she was happy as a clam when i started to warm her bottle...like she could have easily kept going...I did put her down at 11:40 wanted to extend a bit in preparation for DLS...and also she seemed fine with it...but this one hour nap is telling me otherwise I guess...though she did reg nap time yesterday and did 1 hr 10 mins...she isn't even crying...she's just sitting there and talking...ugh...i don't understand...any thoughts ladies?  EBT for us again i guess huh?

[lily528]

and if you want any advice from me lol not sure if you do...i'd def do EBT but there are no guarantees he won't wake early...but i'd say there is  a good chance he won't...and i would keep pushing the 1 nap IIWM...