Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22

[*Kara*]

Welcome to the general support thread for the 2-1 Nap Transition.

Remember to keep the BW boards neat and tidy - no marking your spot

Continued from:  http://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=226104.0

[beckygatt]

Hi. I really need some help! Sophia's naps have turned really messy!  She often resists the afternoon nap, sometimes even after a capped am nap, and sometimes resists BT too. Apart from this I need to get her sleeping independently again and DH wants to do the sleep training now, as he is fed up of her taking ages and needing us to sleep . I work 4 mornings a week and Sophia has a different babysitter each day, so playing around with A times is difficult because I'm not always around to do it, and the nosey, bossy aunts/MIL will just give me grief and/or not follow my instructions .

I'm really tempted to just push to 1 nap but not sure if she's ready, and if it will make things worse. Plus I want to do WIWO this weekend so I can do it gently before DH intervenes! (He wouldn't have the time/patience to do it properly). So what am I going to do?!

Here is yesterday's routine:

A - 5.30
Nap 1 - 10.15-11.15 (capped)
Nap 2 - 2-3 (fought about 15mins)
BT 7.45 (after 30mins of screaming)

The previous day she had woken at 6, napped 1hr in the morning, refused to nap in the afternoon, and ended up with just 5 mins in the car. She then slept at 6.30 with no problems at all (very OT no doubt). So do you think she's ready to be pushed to 1?

[squeakersmum]

We seem to be on an alternate one nap day two nap day routine ATM. Yesterday she had one nap from 12.30 - 3pm - the poor thing really wanted to go to sleep in the car on the way home from a play date, but DS and I kept her awake with singing and clapping so she could nap undisturbed in her cot. Then BT at 7.20. And she went to sleep independently! For the first time in weeks!

[*Kara*]

Great news Squakersmum!  Sometimes that independent sleep thing will go to the birds when OT hits and naps are too short (like on 2 nap days at this stage).

Becky - She is no doubt wickedly OT - very little nap hours and short nights, long days are a recipe for disaster.  I wouldn't push to one nap just yet - cap her AM back down to 30 mins though and you should be able to get a good PM nap after 3 hrs of A time and just let her sleep for it - no waking

[MommyMoulton]

Agreed with Kara, Becky- she is way OT

[Papaya]

I agree Becky - but if she's up at 5.30, I'd pull that am nap back 15 mins earlier and cap at 30 mins. I know with my LO, if I'd pushed her that hard and then only gave her 30 mins she'd be a wreck. So nap 10-10.30, and pm nap at 1.30 for as long as she likes. If it's short too, I'd do super EBT to try and get her caught up on the OT!

[beckygatt]

Thanks ladies. Hmmm ok I'll try this again. When I did try it this week she still resisted her nap/took it too late but I agree she's OT so I'll try again. Its just so hard on the mornings I'm not around. I can give instructions but carry them out myself which is frustrating! She used to be such a good sleeper, I don't know what happened! I just want to get her back on track but I never seem to be able to get the A times right

[beckygatt]

I especially have trouble getting last A time right. She seems to need a long one but will sometimes resist BT anyway! Especially if its still early. Sometimes at BT she'll suddenly not seem tired after all and I'll spend ages in her room and still she won't sleep. I can't be spending 45mins in there when I have the rest of the family to think about! Should I bring her back out and try again later when this happens?

Sorry for the rant I'm just so fed up of struggling with sleep. It is without a doubt the worst thing about babies and the only reason I probably won't have more.

[Papaya]

Sometimes at BT she'll suddenly not seem tired after all and I'll spend ages in her room and still she won't sleep.

If that's on days when she hasn't napped well, I'd say it's OT tbh - she's already wired! Have you tried putting her down earlier? But if we get to this stage I do tend to just bring her out of the room for 15 mins and start again, it's often faster in the long run

Same with the second nap actually...if she's done a long A before the first nap, have you tried putting her down for the next nap earlier than she would otherwise need?

[beckygatt]

I just don't seem to be able to get it right. Early bedtime doesn't seem to work. She seems to know its early and resists. She has to be seriously OT to sleep before 7. This was yesterday:

A - 6.10
Nap 1 - 9.30-10 (some resistance and she woke up alone)
Nap 2 - 1.25 - 2.45
BT - 7.15 (fought a bit- took 15mins)

She woke up a couple of times but resettled quite easily. Today she woke up at 6.30, napped from 9.15-9.50 (again some resistance and woke up alone). Now it is nearly 2pm meaning she's been awake for 4 hours, but I tried to put her down for a nap at 1.30 and she just wasn't interested she just kept trying to stane up and play . I'm so tired of fighting. I'm looking forward to getting rid of naps altogether as they're such hard work!

[beckygatt]

She ended up sleeping from 2-3. Woke up alone at 3. Not really long enough is it?

[beckygatt]

This evening BT was at 7, and she went down without any problems! So after 4hrs A time...

[beckygatt]

And after a perfect BT she had a long NW from around 2-3 (apart from other short NWs) .

Any ideas anyone?

[*Kara*]

Teeth?  That is always our culprit for those long middle of the night wake ups.

[roimata9]

Hi, just popping in to check I'm doing the right thing here! My little one is 13 months and starting to refuse his afternoon naps - he was doing long morning nap then cn in the late arvo. If he takes the CN now he is resisting BT.
So the last two days I have given up on the CN and he's gone to bed happily at 6, then slept a 14 hour night, so he's still getting 15.5-16 hours of sleep per day.
EASY on day 1 was:
wake 8am
3hrs A time
Nap 11-1
5 hrs A time
BT 6pm

Day 2:
Wake 8am (this is later then his usual WU, but I figure he's catching up on sleep)
4 hr A time (too long but we were at playcentre so couldn't help it)
Nap 12-1:30 woke after 1hr but resettled, then woke after 1.5 hr wouldn't resettle but was miserable - Could be too long A time, or could be teeth, he has a big molar coming through.
4.5 hr A time
BT 6pm

My question is, should I let him sleep in and do 1 nap with early BT, or should I wake him at 7am and try to get 2 in there? Or does it not matter and am I worrying overly?