Toddler Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition Continued

[marlowsmom]

Her current schedule is
Awake 5am
AM nap 940-10am (20min)
PM nap 130-3pm (1.5 hr)
Bed 730pm

She sleeps soundly until 5am.    I just changed her schedule to give her more time before bed because she was NW.    Once the schedule changed she improved.   Then EW kicked in and I'd APOP her back to sleep and she got up at 730am for two days.   On those two days I gave her one nap because there wasn't enough time to do two.     That was a mistake.   The first day I overshot her A time and she slept 1.20 for the day.   The next day I got the A time right (4.5 hr) but she still short napped.     After that we went back to the 2 nap schedule.    She isn't teething. 

[~Jen~]

Have you considered moving her bedtime earlier? I think her day is too long.  If she is waking at 5am she is doing 14.5hr day.  Is there any way she will go down any earlier for her AM catnap? Or if not, what if you only give her 15mins? That should cut her A time down before the PM nap and then by moving it earlier, you still can get a 4.5hr A time before bed. 
I know the end of the transition is so tricky and she seems so close to 1 nap with these A times!

[marlowsmom]

The only glitch with moving her AM nap time to an earlier point is that I have to take my 4 yr old to school by 9am.    When I get back its about 925am.    By the time I get her in the house and let her have a bottle she hits the bed by 940am.    I've cut her AM nap to 15 min and she still does the same A time (3.5 hr) before bed.      School ends on May 28th.   Although I may have an entirely new situation on my hands at that point.   I wish I could just reason with her.  

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[marlowsmom]

Well my thread that I resurrected didn't work out.   The person assisting me was stumped.   
She did suggest trying for a longer AM nap of maybe 45 min then going for a PM nap but I still need to work in a 4.5 hours of A before bed.   HMMMM.    Any other suggestions?

[kels]

im stuck here too, my son wakes at 6,seems very tired by 9 and  then at around 33-4, but if i put him down again, i dont think he will sleep through without playing up?

[kels]

my 15 month old seems all  over place, wants to nap at 4pm ,how can i do this with bedtime at 630, as he wakes at 6!

[marlowsmom]

Kels,
I ended up doing a long am but I had to push her A.    I am for 5 hour A but she doesn't always make it.      She had a EW at 430am and went back to sleep from 6-7am.      She just fell asleep at 1145 I hope she sleeps until 2 but I doubt it.     My LO needs a CN and I've been making her take a 10 min CN at around 5 but that isn't long enough of a CN.    Her bedtime is 730 but I think if she got in a 20 min CN then I could push her bedtime just a bit to maybe 745 or 8pm.     I've had that happen twice and both times she woken up a bit later than normal.     In the past, too late of a CN would always interrupt her night sleep.    Now with the EW this morning I know for sure that she is OT so I'm going to have to figure something out.    It all depends on her long nap but I may do another longer CN or early bedtime.    This is so frustrating.

[nelliestar]

We are going through a good phase with Bram napping well and STTN with no waking earlier than 6am. Don't know what we did or didn't do but enjoying it while it lasts...

I am still following everyones stories on here and always lurking...

Sending hugs to all with 2-1 trauma..I will be joining you soon for sure!! ; )


Nell xxxxx

[marlowsmom]

Well it all went to pot.    I'm on day 2 of only one 45 min nap.   Yesterday, I tried for 1.5 hr to get her to take a nap in the afternoon.    I overestimated how much A she could handle and tried to put her down after 3.5 hr A.   This is with her OT build up that she already has.   Needless to say she wouldn't go to sleep and put up a fight.   I tried driving her around for almost an hour and that didn't work.   DD1 fell asleep though.      Marlow went to bed at 7pm last night.    She woke once from 245-330 looking for milk.    I ignored her pleas and popped in a couple of times to tell her to go to sleep.    I almost gave in when she finally got quite and eventually fell asleep.   She woke at 6 and I she fell asleep at 1045.   She slept 45 min and now I've got her in the crib but she's just talking away.   

[Jenn+Ethan+Emily]

I think I need to jump on here! (after I posted it on the wrong board! Oops!)

Ethan is 13 months old and we are currently doing a 15 min am nap and a 1.5 hr pm nap. He goes to bed at 7pm and used to wake at 7am until we went on a trip to the UK which is a 7hr time difference from us. Since coming back we are struggling with EW and lots of NW's. Ethan has really never slept through the night so we are used to 2-3 NW's each night. Yesterday Ethan slept all the way until 7:30am but then he was up at 5am again this morning so I am at a loss as of what to do. Before we left on the trip, if his am nap was longer then 15 minutes, he would have an early waking. he has always been on the low side of sleep needs.

[marlowsmom]

Hi Jenn- I know how you feel.     I had to constantly shorten Marlow's AM nap due to EW.     On two nap days she gets a 20 min snooze then anywhere from 3 to 3.5 hr A then her long PM nap.    Her wake up time determines if she gets a one or two nap day.    Most days are two naps days.

Currently I've discovered her penchant for the bottle before nap time.    My own fault.     This is going to be a tough nut to crack.    She knows how to lay down without it but she prefers the bottle.    She used to suck her thumb but recently gave it up or forgot that she used to suck her thumb.    Either way, I'd prefer it if she just went back to sucking her thumb.    I say that now but I know down the road if she turns into a thumbsucker then I'll have an even bigger problem to deal with.

[~Sarah~]

Hi all
I too am joining and I am lost.
DS is almost 15 mo and we have been gong back and forth between 2 and 1 for about 4 months now.  I have never put forth an effort to make him go to 1.  I had DD in March and honestly it has worked better for him to take 2 naps.  I REALLY wish he could stay on 2 until she is ready to switch, but that is not for a long time *sigh*
So I guess I will have to bite the bullet b/c he is kind of getting himself OT and that is even worse for moods around our house.

He has always liked a short am A time, so my assumption is to let him go down in AM, but wake him after 30 min and then give him another 3 hours or so of A time before PM nap?  Does that sound right or am I off in the timing of things?  Is there a link somewhere on the rules of the 2-1 trans.?  I couldn't seem to find one.

On another note-I LOVE the name Marlow, and she is super cute

[Tao]

Hello There,

After a month of blissful naps and BT, things are going haywire again =). I thought I'd jump on to see if I could get an extra set of eyes in here...

Past schedule:

Wake 5/5:30
Nap 9:40-1010
Nap 2-3 or 3:30

However, on Friday, she started refusing a.m. nap at 9:30. So the past two days, I pick her back up after fighting a.m. nap for an hour, play with her for an hour and put her back down at 11:30. Since she's OT at this point, she produces a 40 minute nap from 12:-12:40 and then I put her down at 5 p.m. for BT. Her nights have been okay but I know she's so OT from the past two days.

Today she woke earlier, at 5 a.m. so I thought a 9:30 nap would work but she just stands in the corner of her crib crying and whining. It's been an hour now and she has yet to lay down once. I have this feeling like a part of it is SA too because I'm home for the summer now (as I'm a teacher) and she's not used to my putting her down for naps. When I leave she screams, so I stand there with her just a tad longer, and the walk out. After that he crying is intermittent with several breaks in between so I don't reenter. I dont' know what to do at this point because its been an hour and she's been standing the entire time.

Does this sound like SA to anyone? If so, what do you do for that? Thanks!!

[marlowsmom]

MommyMertel- Thanks!  DH picked it out.    She is the female version of DH.   Her baby picture taken at 1 year looks just like DH's baby picture at the same age.

Marlow is in the middle of 2-1 and most days she takes 2 naps.   Her day looks like this:
Awake 6/630am
AM Nap 10-1020
PM nap 100pm-215 or 230
Bed 730pm

I try to get her to do 3 hours A between naps.     If she wakes at 7am then I give her one nap that day.   I think its about feeling out each day, watching for OT, watching for new sleepy cues.    Marlow will be playing and she will just lay down on the ground for a few seconds.     

[Jenn+Ethan+Emily]

Her wake up time determines if she gets a one or two nap day.    Most days are two naps days.

Ugh. This is us too!

When DS wakes at 7am, we also only give him one nap. But the nap has to start at like noon. The problem is, I can never get him to sleep for longer then 1hr 45min or 2 hrs MAX. So if he starts his nap at noon, then he wakes up too early and his bedtime gets thrown all off. We are doing a set bedtime of 7pm because that seems to be when he goes to sleep. If we wait longer then that, he is OT. If we do earlier, then he plays until he is OT.

So does anyone think I can cut his am nap back to like 5 min when he wakes at 7am instead of cutting it all together? I just don't know whether 5 min does anything at all?