Anyone Want To Talk About The 2-1 Transition? Thread #22

[oliversmommy]

Welcome Timmysmommy!   If you are having to cap both naps to keep your day from getting too long and to allow DD to get tired by BT, what do you think about capping the AM nap further to 20 min, or even going for it and trying one nap???  If she can do 5 hour A times, she might be ready for one nap.  What do you other ladies think???

DS woke up at 6:55 this AM (Trinity I feel bad posting this!  I know you would KILL for this WU time!) - if I was home w/ DS I probably would have tried a one nap day, but since I'm back at work this week, I decided to play it safe and do the usual two nap routine.  Of course he short napped his PM nap, which didn't surprise me after his long night, but it kept our BT at our usual time which was good.  He has his first full day at the sitter tomorrow and it's a much more stimulating environment, so I didn't want him starting his day OT.  (Hopefully he'll have a good night.)

Hugs to Jingmommy and Trinity - hope you had good days/nights!

[*Kara*]

Welcome Timmysmommy!   If you are having to cap both naps to keep your day from getting too long and to allow DD to get tired by BT, what do you think about capping the AM nap further to 20 min, or even going for it and trying one nap???  If she can do 5 hour A times, she might be ready for one nap.  What do you other ladies think???

My exact thoughts   If she can do a 5 hr A time on a 30 min nap - she is more than ready to have a single long lovely nap   Keep her first A time to 4 hrs 45 mins to start (unless she is coming off of a really nice long night of 11 hrs +, then you could do a 5 hr A time)... put her down and let her nap as long as she likes, only waking if she makes the 3 hr mark.  BT is 5-5.5 hrs after the nap

[trinity33]

Hugs to Jingmommy and Oliversmommy - being a working mum is tough: -) Good luck for your first day back at work and hope everything goes well with the baby sitter. You're right I'm dead jealous of your wu time ;-) but in a very happy for you kind of way :-)

Welcome to crazytown Timmysmommy.

My little monkey - well it continues. 

Mon night & yesterday

After a couple of shout outs around 12.20 he then wu at 5.15
nursery pd for nap at 11, but he decided to chat to the other babies in the sleep room for 40 mins before falling alsleep - then slept 1.50 (which i read somewhere is an OT nap time - does anyone else find this?)

Couldn't finish work early, so pd for bed at 6.50 and he then chatted until 7.45  got a bit upset in the middle and I sat with him for a few mins until he calmed down and lay back down, but seemed to feel he had to practice his sounds, ta ta ta ta ta, ba ba ba ba, uh oh uh oh for another 20 mins!!!! Love him but come on kiddo you need some sleep!

Did then sleep through - shout out at 4.45 then back to sleep until 5.45.

I'm still really wary of going back to 2 naps as we've tried that twice before after abandoning one nap routines and we just ended up with 4.30wu + less sleep in 24, but am I gonna break him if I keep pushing the one nap thing. 

Can't believe it but he'll be one on Friday 

[timmysmommy]

Lol Trinity!  You have some long days don't you!  Happy Birthday to your lo!

So I decided to give one nap a try as she didn't go down until 9 last night which meant a 14 hr day with one 30 min, and one 1.5 hr naps.  I woke her at both.

She fell asleep on our walk after 4 hr A time.  I figure I'll let her sleep and try early bt if needed, but I really doubt it.  She can stay up for a loooong time in the afternoons.  I'm hoping if I get some longer nights, her morning A will push out to 5 hrs.  I really hope this works as I would be quite excited to have a whole morning to be out and about with the kids!

[trinity33]

I'm still really wary of going back to 2 naps as we've tried that twice before after abandoning one nap routines and we just ended up with 4.30wu + less sleep in 24, but am I gonna break him if I keep pushing the one nap thing. 

Oh dear I think that might have happened today 

Didn't fall asleep until 11.30 and then only slept for 20 mins - nursery tried rocking him/ stroller etc but couldn't get him to sleep
Put him down for another nap at 2.50 and then woke at 3.30

Tried to put him down at 6.25 for ebt to combat ot but now been an hour and the kid isn't tired - cos of late nap i guess.

The only other thing is that he hasn't pooped for 48 hours and I have laryngytis, so he could have tummy ache or be going down with virus and that influenced short nap

Oh this transition has been going on for nearly 2 months now with aborted attempts and going back to 2 naps and then getting 4.30 wu :-( and so going back to one nap again - but I kind of think we have to abandon again. what do you lovely ladies think?

Should I try going back to 15 min at 9.00 and then again at 12.30?  I've arranged birthday parties for him Fri and Sat at 2pm based on him having an 11am long nap though too 

[trinity33]

As an update, he finally passed out at 9pm , so 2.5 hours after original pd, so much for ebt to sort ot. Just feel all lost and like a rubbish mum again.  Dh just can't understand why I get upset by it. He just says we do what we can and he'll sleep when he sleeps 

[RebekahDSC]

Oh, Trinity... I feel for you, Hun.  I never dreamed baby (almost toddler ) sleep would be so hard!  Yeah, my husband is WAY less stressed and emotional about it than I am as well, so I get that, too.  I've been following along on here for awhile just to stay on top of things (we same to be at a decent place right now but I know that could change any second) and to me he sounds MAJORLY over-tired.  So often when DD won't sleep it's not because she is not tired but because she needs it so badly! Baby sleep is so backwards!!!  Anyhow, one time when my DD had built up a lot of OT, one of the mods on here (becj86) suggested a way out of it. We ended up not needing to do it after-all, but maybe it would help you all.  It is doing a SUPER short day. I know he's not usually good about tacking on sleep, but if his bt is really, really earlier (like 4:30pm-type early, he might wake up in the middle of the night but go back down because his body is set to sleep then.) That's what Bec said happened with her DS.  I don't know if this would work for you because I know you work but maybe you could try it on the weekend if you want to.  I know it's a risk, but it just might "re-set" his body-clock so he's not so OT. If I was you and you are interested I would message Bec (becj86) to ask about it. Sending hugs your way!

[trinity33]

Hi rebekah, thanks for the suggestion. Wow given his track record on tacking on that is a scary idea, will hold it in reserve though.

Well he slept til 6.15, after 4.10 nw. But only 9.15 hour night. Tried to put down at 9am for nap but refused, so got back up after 45 mins. Pd again later and he slept 11.20-1.20 yay. So will try for ebt tonight again and see what happens.

quick update: yet again Charlie wouldn't play ball with the ebt (he did fall asleep 2-3 min in car on the way back from nursery at 5.45), pd at 6.20 really wasn't acting tired but after big tantrums finally fell asleep on DH at 7.30 - really don't want to get into the AP trap after for so many months he has been brilliant at bt. [sigh] but he's made it past the one hour mark, yay, and will have had nearly a 13 hour sleep in 24 - which for his is fab. He averages 12.5.

[oliversmommy]

Trinity - Happy Bday to Charlie!    FX for good long naps before his parties!  Sending you lots of hugs for those short nights - not being able to do an EBT is making this much harder on everyone I'm sure.  My DH thinks I'm obsessed w/ LO's sleep too - they just don't get it do they?!?

Timmysmommy - Hope your one nap day went well!

I think DS was a little overwhelmed at the sitter's yesterday - his A times were shorter than usual and he still took a long PM nap (well, an hour - then the sitter's 3 yo started yelling and woke up DS) - the sitter has 3 children (2 will be back in school soon) and therefore her house is MUCH louder than ours (it's just me, DH and DS and DH and I are pretty quiet by nature).  We did an EBT last night and DS slept 12 hrs, which is extremely rare for him, but obviously he needed the extra sleep.  Today at the sitter his A times were longer, but still not what they are at our house . . . hopefully DS will get used to the extra stimulation, otherwise he may have to be on two different schedules for a while depending on whose house he is at.  Tomorrow he will be home w/ my DH, then I get to spend the whole weekend w/ him, so hopefully I'll get a better idea of where we are at w/ A times/nap times at the moment.

I've been shortening his A times before bed a little and his shout outs during the night are much less frequent now . . . however I still wake up at 4:30 am every morning like clockwork.  Anyone know how to do W2S for adults???

[ZacsMumme]

Hi ladies,

With Kara moving over to EASY, and me coming back to naps I'll try to pop on and help out where I can

trinity, is your LO spirited? - what was your 1 nap routine before things went bad the other day? - I'm actually wondering if it's partially developmental or teeth? http://www.thewonderweeks.com/index.php/about-the-wonder-weeks/your-babys-10-leaps/mental-leap-8

Oliver'smummy....get your Dh to W2S you

[trinity33]

Hi Sara, thanks for joining us. You gave me great advice and helped us through the 3-2 a few months ago, so lovely to hear from you again. 

Yes I do think lo is spirited. He does best when we stick religiously to a routine, but he get's thrown off really easily.

Over the last few months we have gradually capped am nap in order to preserve long pm, so going from 1 hour to , 45,30,20. When this still lead to a 4.30 wu after a good pm nap we started trying 2:1. We've had a couple of attempts where we had to revert back to 2 naps. As we still have ebt (anywhere from 5.10-6.30 on a one nap routine) we have been trying to to nap at 11.

Update: lol must have heard me click post as woke 2 mins later 8.50  for 3-5 mins, self soothed!

I think you might be right about developmental. He had a molar a couple of weeks ago and I thunk another one might be on the way, hard to say as he tries to bite my finger off if I check.

That said we had an amazing day today!

Wu 5.30
Nap 11-1.50 (woke at 45 min but self soothed)
Bt 7.10 fell asleep really easily, 30 second grumble and then flopped down and went to sleep in 5-10 mins

Made it past the 1 hour, dare I dream we will have a later wu? And if we do, do I stick to 11 nap? Thanks Sara 

[ZacsMumme]

hugs, the 2-1 can be brutal!
I think with the 1 nap days they really need to be no longer than 12-12.5hr days (on a 2hr nap) so with your longer nap a little longer day is okay but id say the long days (from the EW I know!) is making him OT.

I notice EBT doesnt work too well...so your other option is to try to push that nap closer to 11.30am in order to combat the EW. If you get a short OT nap - try to resettle with APOP to get a good nap. Hopefully you should see the WU get closer to 6am, and if you pull BT closer to 6.30pm he may start to settle better at night too.

HTH

[oliversmommy]

Well the past two days have not gone well.  Yesterday when DS was home w/ DH, DS woke early (5:50) and was really tired and fussy per DH.  I told DH not to cap the AM nap, to let DS sleep, but he only slept 45 min for both naps.  Today DS was back to his usual cheerful self, so I thought I would find out if our current routine is working, however on the way home this afternoon (right before his PM nap), he got sleepy in the car (I sat next to him to keep him awake) and then he perked up when we went inside and wouldn't go down for his nap!  DH got him to sleep later, but of course he only took a 35 min OT nap.  Poor DS hasn't had a long restorative nap in almost a week.   Hopefully we'll have a good day tomorrow, because I'm back at work on Monday and it's so hard to make decisions about A times/nap lengths from afar!

So I have two questions . . . what should I do the next time DS wakes up tired and fussy?  Should I shorten the first A time and still cap the nap?  And . . . when DS is ready to have his AM nap capped at 20 min, what should my second A time be? (our current routine is 4 hr 15 first A, 30 min capped nap, 3 hr 30 second A)

TIA!

[ZacsMumme]

Any teeth Coming OM? Could be causing the fussiness and waking mid nap
How old is your LO...3.5 hrs A after a 30 min nap is a long time. My LO only did 2-2.5 after 30 min CN before BT ... He was 11 mths and LSN

[trinity33]

Hi Sara,

Thanks for the advice - I'm sure you're right about the ot from long long days. Trouble is he's only slept 12 hours 3 times since he's been born  and it's only occasionally I can get him to do over 11 - I've never managed to get a run of them iykwim.

After our good day the day before yesterday, yesterday wasn't so great.

wu 5.30
nap 11-12.20
bt 6.50 - which he was asleep as his head touched the pillow

he's also gone down with my cold, so he's coughing quite a bit, I heard him moaning and coughing at about 2.45am and by the time i'd got into his room to give him some calpol he'd gone back to sleep and I didn't want to wake him back up. He was then up for the day at 5am.

So figured should really try for a 2 nap day and have put him down at 9.35 for a 15/20 min nap, bless him i can hear him coughing in his sleep. I'll give him calpol before his pm nap and aim for 12.30??

Then a 7pm bt??

I'm dreading sending him back to nursery tomorrow - as it's so much harder to work out what to do when your not with them. I also think his bt have been easier the last 2 nights at home as he hasn't had a sneaky 2-3 min cn in the car and decided that he then wants to be up another 3 hours.  Really really hoping that our 2 nap day works ok, last time we did one he didn't fall asleep for pm nap until 1.20, slept 2.10 hours but was up for the day the next morning at 4.30 (groan). Still the kid is poorly and tired - so I've got to give it a go right?

If we get a better wu tomorrow (5.30 or later) i'll definitely try what you suggested with pushing the am nap out - would you do it 15 mins at a time?? he's fallen asleep on the bottle the last 2 mornings at 11.  thanks Sara