15mo - routine disappeared - NW + SER!

[labrodyk]

We're doing set naps but he's already screaming the house down will try a 12pm nap today. Not really sure what I'm doing at all...he seems to be getting worse.

Eta:
So after another breath holding incident as we were going to his room for bed (he completely passed out this time). I put him down at 12 (asleep 12.05) and he was asleep and then resting until I accidentally stirred him from dozing at 2.40!! I think I might dial the nap back to 12 for a few days and see how we go.

[weaver]

Fingers crossed for you.

[Buttonbobs]

Let us know how you get on xx

[Buttonbobs]

Thinking of you honey - how're you both doing? xx

[labrodyk]

Hi Naomi,

I've been meaning to get back on and update you but we've had some crazy things happening.

GP referred me to our local children's hospital regarding the breath holding and he's now had an ECG with an EEG head scan to follow in the coming weeks. Really scary stuff.

We have also come down with a gastro bug for the last few days so our EASY has been way off.

I'm finding he is very tired because I believe that he wakes really early in the morning but will lay quietly. Today for example I was up vomiting at 5.30 and he was awake but didn't actually say anything until 7.10!! Got him out of bed and I know he isn't well (terrible diarrhea) but he fell asleep on the lounge just after 8am!! He had a good 45 mins but by 12.30 he collapsed again on my bed for another hour and chatting after 1.5 hours. He perked up in the arvo (I'm hoping he's feeling a little better) but had a good whinge at bedtime for a few mins.

I understand how hard it is when they're sick but I just can't understand why he just lays quietly awake at all his sleeps and isn't well rested? Should I ask for a sleep study on him or something? I wonder if he does the same overnight - I think he's gotten 11 hours but he's been awake for hours during the night?

I'll try and get back to 12pm nap with 7pm bedtime ASAP. I hope I'm doing the right thing, it's so hard to tell.

Thanks!
Laura

[anna*]

Has he had further episodes of breath-holding?

[labrodyk]

Yes, one more. Doctor was concerned there might be a chance it's some sort of seizure. They were pretty confident it is breath holding but want to make sure.

[Buttonbobs]

I definitely think while you're poorly then go with the flow and let him sleep when he wants to - you can always get on track afterwards.

((((Hugs)))) sweetie. That sounds very stressful. Get well soon vibes xx

[labrodyk]

He seems a lot better today but had a major meltdown by 11ish and no amount of distraction was helping so put him into bed at 11.40 by which time he was screaming like a banshee and back arching in my arms. Tired, cranky because he was having fun playing with the neighbors and had to come home? I'm so confused about what I'm doing, regardless of him being sick

ETA: So he was "quiet" until 2!! unbelievable really but having checked on him after the first hour or so he was laying still, eyes closed but rolling from side to side. Then the last 20-30 mins he was awake eyes open playing with his comforter. So hard to tell what is "sleep" with him.

Especially since he had another 'tantrum' as such before dinner where he was just screaming and screaming and got so worked up. Sparked because DH turned the computer off and he was playing with the keyboard. He ate dinner on DH's lap and then afterwards I turned the TV off and he did the same. Is this just todder behaviour or am I totally missing something sleep wise?! How do I deal with this from a routine and behavioural perspective.

Into bed at 7 and not a peep from him but not sure when he fell asleep, could have been 5 mins or an hour.

TIA!

[labrodyk]

Hi Naomi!

A little confused about what's happening to my little man...

WU: 7.10 was still dozing but from 7.20ish he was awake but still yet to call out to me.  Up at 7.30
Nap: had ANOTHER meltdown over not wanting to eat a thing at lunch so again he's ended up in bed at 11.45ish

I'll keep you updated on the progress but it almost seems like he is catching up on night sleep or sleeping later and wanting more sleep earlier in the day. I'm happy to go with it if he continues to have long naps but if it's only 1.5 hours from 11.30 then 1-7 arvo is a long time!

What do you think could be happening? He's 17.5 months now

ETA:
So that's exactly what happened. Awake from 12.20 but quiet and now crying from 1pm...going to be a long afternoon.  Grinding his teeth but not teething also.

BT: 6:50

I wouldn't mind if he was happy but he is throwing tantrums left, right and centre and is extremely difficult to keep happy.

[Buttonbobs]

If he really is too tired to make it through to beyond 11.30 then I think you probably need to get another nap in their somehow. Can you APOP in the car/buggy? Perhaps a short afternoon CN?

[labrodyk]

Hi Naomi!!

Thanks so much for your help and for sticking with me - I know I sound like a nutter so thanks for listening.

Have been a bit absent because H has just been AAAAALLLL over the place. No consistency what-so-ever despite my consistency! He's veeeeery whingy, clingy, tired and upset a lot with so many tantrums I lose count. We are addressing this at present with gp's and specialists. I suspect it's all inter-connected but naps are still such a struggle.

The last few days have been:
Thursday: nap in pram for 45 mins at 12 with 6.30 bed. Awake from 6. NW, 11.30, 1.30
Friday: nap in car for 20 mins from 11.30 he was soooo tired.
Saturday: nap at 11.50 - took 20+ mins of whingy/crying, chucked comforter out of cot before falling asleep 12.15 then talking at 1.15! OOB at 1.30.

Funnily enough the happiest day in forever has been today despite a 20 min nap yesterday. I've attempted catnaps and second sleeps but he will not take them. He can lay quietly for a little while but then cries until you get him up.

We are 10 days off 18 months so I'm wondering if his issues are SR related or developmental or routine change required. BT is 7 except for those days when it's under an hour and we do 6.30. We also have daylight saving turning off tonight so clocks will go back so I'm so unsure of how to proceed.
Should I be consistent with 12 or move it to 12.15/12.30.

Many thanks,
Laura

Eta: night waking at 11.50 crying then again at midnight. Highly likely OT...

[Buttonbobs]

Hi honey,

It does sound like something else is going on. A tired LO will eventually be so tired they will crash and sleep a good stretch of time. This must be very worrying for you, I send lots of hugs and vibes that whatever it is is resolved soon.

It doesn't seem like a developmental blip to be honest as it has been going on for a while. The Dev leap could be  adding to any existing issue and certainly making sleep and tantrums worse but if you sense with your mama instinct that something is wrong then for sure you must follow that instinct.

Have you read this thread about time changes?
How to Adjust to Daylight Savings

Other than that - just (((hugs)))

[labrodyk]

Hi Naomi!!

How are you?!?

We've started Harry on an elimination diet of natural chemicals in fruit/veg as well as additives, preservatives, amines, salicylates and a buch of other long words found in basically all food. And his mood has dramatically improved! He hasn't been on it long so he will likely have some withdrawl symptoms and bad days whilst he's detoxing.

I'm hoping you can help me though please. We've just put our clocks back an hour a week ago but Harry is still waking at 6am from his previously closer time of 7 or just before 7. I know his slee needs are going to start dropping but we are coming up to the 18 month mark and I want to make sure we are in a good way before any SR comes crashing down around us.

With the 6am wakes he is now struggling to make it to his 12pm midday sleep so that is often short because he's OT. we're averaging around 1.5 hours from the time he's in bed quiet until he starts talking so very well could be less than that.

Bed time is 7pm every night. He isn't refusing bedtime or fussing. He can take some time to fall asleep (sometimes 40mins) but does so completely silently so I wouldn't know. I'm hesitant to change bedtime because of this and if I did move it, I don't want it pushed any further than 7.30. H is a really high needs kid and I need the wind down time of an evening with hubby.

Should I just give him a bit more time to adjust to the new timings? I just winged it because he was in such a bad way anyway that I thought, oh well!

Thanks for your help

[labrodyk]

so today was 11.55 into bed and chatting at 1.50 but I know he was wide awake from 1.20pm so only 1hr 20min. I wouldn't have known if I wasn't watching him. Should I worry?