anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?

[nursekat]

OliverRowland, how did the rest of your day go? 

We discovered this week that Bethany also "naturally" does what gemmah's LO does if we manage 2 naps in a day...however the downside is she might often refuse that later catnap so then we're stuck with a super long A time! 

No knotted knickers allowed, Lila!  LOL!    Have you tried the just one nap yet?  What was her routine like when she was doing well?

[debo620]

lila,
this is the routine that worked very well for us from about age 11-15months:

wake 6:
nap 9:30-10 (woke at 30min)
nap in crib for 12:30, usually played until 1, slept 1-2:30/3
bed for night 6:30

if the day starts early --lets say 5am, leave her in her crib til 6am even with wi/wo if necesary
then I would start the am nap just slightly earlier and let in run for 40min
so nap 9:20-10
nap in crib for 12:30, that way she is not overtired and will play, fall asleep when she wants.
bed 6:30

[nursekat]

Ok I know shorter naps and early mornings are a sign of OT with the 2-1 switch, what about early night wakings?  DD woke the last two nights after only an hour of sleep, last night she just whined for a minute but tonight she's been awake now for about an hour just goofing off in her crib.  Anybody heard of this?  I wonder too if her tummy's still bothering her after her illness...

[nursekat]

Ok so I heard her bonk and cry so I went in and tried another bottle...it's been 2.5hrs that she's been awake now (it's 10:30pm) - any thoughts??

[rinajack]

My gut says that there is some other issue if she has been awake that long kat.  When overtired, Zara does sometimes wakeup after her first sleep cycle crying...but not for a couple of hours like you are describing.  Is there any teething discomfort? Have you given pain relief, checked the nappy (that one has fooled me before when I didn't smell it), etc? And if your lo has had a tummy bug, are you sure she isn't hungry, they often eats loads more to make up for not eating well for a few days.

[nursekat]

Rina you're back you're back you're back!  I'm doing the happy dance!  Ok, I already knew that from your other thread but I still get to do a happy dance when I see you out and about, don't I?

Yup, I was letting her just sing away in there (that's the weird thing, she was just happily talking away in there this whole time until I heard her fall and bonk) - I went in after the bonk - I did the works, bottle (this time with formula instead of cow's milk in case she's not ready to switch back yet after her bug), diaper change, pajama change (they seemed maybe too warm for her), turned on the air conditioner (it was a little warm), gave Tylenol...it was like a pit stop at the race track!  So, that being said, she sang until 10:45 and it's now quiet (now I just need to get off of here, LOL!) but of course I wonder what did it and will be on pins and needles after bedtime tomorrow...thank goodness it's not OT b/c she's been doing great (knock on wood) with the one nap thus far...

[rinajack]

 

Don't wait on pins and needles tomorrow night though....something that has helped me be more relaxed about our sleep stuff is not waiting for it to go wrong - worry after it goes wrong several nights, not just one!  I personally often wake up at odd times, just one night here or there, so I am learning that Zara probably does too.

Our one nap is also going well - today was 3 hrs 10 mins but that is not our average .  How long have you been on one nap?

[NiknLily]

AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!
Hating this bloody transition already.  We have had 3days with 45min am nap as I had been waking her to stop pm nap getting too late, and she didn't take pm nap Friday sat & sun.  So bedtime has been just after 5pm each day.  Today she refused am nap, I got her down by 12 but she was OT by this point so I'm not hopeful of a god nap, particularly as she has been OT for last 3 days already.

Some of it is most likely my fault e were out Friday and was a little late getting her down for pm nap, but she just talked growled & sung for 45min before I got her up.  Saturday we were way too late, was out for lunch and she had far too much excitement, Yesterday I thought I had got it just right but she spent her pm nap trying out new found skills at throwing teddies out of cot getting out of her sleeping bag and throwing that out too    This morning was much the same, 'teddy throwing championships'.  One problem I may have had this morning was when I heard her wake it was EARLY I looked at the clock and went back to sleep, when I woke up to the sound of her again I couldn't remember what the time had been at all, and had no idea what she had been doing or for how long 

So it looks like an early bedtime again tonight, trouble is this is not helping her early wake ups, she may be sleeping a little over 12hrs but thats still too early when bedtime was 5pm the night before.

I cant see how we will ever get onto 1 nap with early wake ups as the day is just too long but currently it seems not long enough for 2 naps.  PLEASE, any thoughts??  actual times aside, what length A & S times should I be aiming for through the day.  Ideally I'm after 7pm max bedtime, wake up time is very much in Lily's hands a present.  Also do yo think providing I can get her down for an am nap tomorrow should I just let her sleep as much as possible just to catch up for a day or so 

[M and N's Mom]

Some of it is most likely my fault e were out Friday and was a little late getting her down for pm nap, but she just talked growled & sung for 45min before I got her up. 

Do you mean she "played" for 45 mins, without sleeping, so you got her up without a pm nap?  If you are trying to push your day back to have a later bedtime anyway why not let her play and maybe fall asleep a bit later?  I have let DS play for over an hour sometimes (not ideal) and then sleep.  As long as there is still time for bedtime I don't mind.

[OliverRowland]

Yesterday was the pits!  after waking ds after 20min nap he was crappy most of the day.  he was then really tough to get down at 12:30...almost like he looked at me saying "it's way too early mum!"  So, we are back on 30min am and 1:30 afternoon nap start.  Think we may keep that with an occassional 1 nap day here and there until things fall apart?!
I too hate this transition!

[Isabella's Mummy (Lilab4)]

Thanks for your advice.

Isabella woke at 5.30 this morning, but I'm not sure how awake she was as she would make a sound every 10 minutes or so and then finally wanted to get up at about 6.30. I put her down at 9.20 (as I wasn't sure what time she woke), she went to sleep at about 9.30, so I woke her at 10.10 - was that right?!

Anyway, we went out and got stuck in traffic - luckily she didn't fall asleep, but it need mean she didn't go down for nap 2 until just before 1.30, but she seemed fine with that. I heard her singing it 1.40 and then it went quiet. I am about to go wakr her now at 3.15. Again, I hope that it the right thing to do. Hopefully she will then by asleep by 7pm tonight!

You see, with Isabella it is more about the early wakings than refusing the PM nap. She has only done that a few times, her trouble (most of the time) is liking too much day sleep! Saying that, there are days when she doesn't too, that's why I get confused!

Kat - I don't feel we can go the 1 nap route when she is waking so early. With her old wake and bed times, I am sure she could handle it, but not now 

[debo620]

Lila,
I think thats sounds about right, see what the night and morning brings and go from there.

newmum, what time is your lo waking up for the day on average? maybe 40min am nap is too restful after a decent night 11+hours. this is what I found at the age of 11months or so. we then went to 30min and didn't look back.

[NiknLily]

M and N's Mom - yes she played without sleeping.  The only reason I got her up was because she was beginning to get a bit fed up being in there and time was ticking on I knew if I was going to feed her dinner give a bath etc and still get her in bed early I had to get her up and get started.

debo620 - mmm, I guess on average 6am or just before, I've got a feeling this morning was 5am.  I need to really take in what time I first hear her stir, but I've been shattered lately and could sleep through a nuclear blast in the mornings.  I look at the clock and promptly forget what it said    So if I try 30min nap, should I do A 4hrs, N 30min, A 3hrs, N 1.5hrs (in theory) A 4hrs ?

[NiknLily]

I forgot to mention she is teething and refusing to take any calpol and has just learnt to walk, I guess this is also having some impact.

[debo620]

newmum,
we also had early wakes, anywhere from 5:30-6am,
so we did
in crib until as late as possible in the morning, or 6am at the earliest.
nap 9:30-10
nap in crib for 12:30, asleep by 1-slept til 2:30ish
bed for night 6:30, usually acually asleep by 7ish
once I started this, the 6am was much more consistant and the 5am wakes were very rare.
30min am nap always gauranteed a decent pm nap, but 40min am and the pm nap was hit and miss. I much preffered 30min and just undercut the A time afterwards and let him play til he fell asleep.