anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?

[Carmela's Mom]

Oh my GOSH, my son is so cranky this morning.  I'm wondering if its his teeth or if he's extra tired???  I think I'm putting him in at 9:30 this morning because he's SO cranky

[debo620]

Oliver Rowland,
I think the idea of a little later 30min morning nap and a little shorter pm nap will cure the early wakings.

Stacy, I've been wondering about that....
today not so good, I think nap a little short yesterday, bedtime about 15min too late and we had a 5:40 am waking.
so I am praying he will take a nap this morning at 10:15/10:30 for 10min or so.
so I think most mornings when he wakes at 6:30 or so, I could fit in like a 10min morning nap at 10:45 (maybe)and then main nap at 12:30-12:45 for 2hrs.  If that fails and he refuses to sleep in the morning, then back to nap at 12pm. maybe I just need an earlier bedtime of 7pm (which I hate as its soo nice out these days)

today, he was too cute, woke at 5:40 , played til 7am and then starting call out "mom", "miii" (mike--my husband).

[CJF]

ya, i didn't think that he was ready yet, but mabe on his way....maybe by mid to late summer.  anyway, i will try the 30 minute nap thing again and hopefully that will work for us.  do you think it  will take time to "kick in"...cuz it seemed to work the last time i tried this and then things went downhill with early wakings and short pm nap...but also i guess something else couldv'e been going on and i didn't realize that it caused this instead of just the napping hting.
thanks...i will let you know how it goes...................

[OliverRowland]

I tried later naps yesterday by 15min but that backfired as ds woke at 5amthis morning!   So, today I went back to original schedule.  Will try for later again tomorrow.

[Carmela's Mom]

Gosh Stacy that sounds like my son.  Maybe I should just let him sleep this morning more than 30 mins???

[debo620]

Stacy, Noah has never attatched sleep to the night either, but I do agree--seems as though the earlier he's asleep--the later he'll sleep (within reason).What teeth is Kaleb getting?
Noah has ALL of them, except the 2nd year molars etc,

Today was
wake 5:40
grumpy all morning!
nap 10:00-10:15
quite happy!
I've just layed him down at 12:30pm and we'll see what happens......he cried as soon as I left, so I am sort of thinking he does not want nap yet,---great! should have woken him after 10min this am.

I hope he just plays now and falls asleep when he wants to, but he has cried out a few times, should I just get him up and try again in 1/2hr? what do you think?

[Carmela's Mom]

Stacy I'm sorry I didn't make it clear.  I meant that he sounds like my son with the teething or sick or whatever.  My son is getting a tooth, has a low grade fever and seems so tired today

[debo620]

oh, I hate the eye teeth, Noah had them all cut in 10days!

well, it turns out he had thrown his lovey overboard and wanted it back! he still protested when I left, but he was asleep about 12:55 or so and I woke him 2hrs later, probably a bit late for a 7pm bedtime but hopefully he'll be asleep by 7:30ish, we'll see.

ok so thats what I hate, early wake, very short am nap, too late of a pm nap---and I really would like him up 2:30/2:45, so thats he's asleep by 7:30pm (as he's always awake by 6:30ish).
tommorow I'm offering 10min, 4hrs after waking(so 10:30) and obviously if he hasn't slept by 11am---then he can have his nap at 12, and I'll move bedtime up to 7pm.

good luck with the long stretch til bedtime, at least he's had a lot of sleep in the last 24hrs! Noah can't do those.... (and either can I )

[debo620]

wow, how do you make cookies with him?
a little off topic--do you have a special chair for him for the kitchen?

I'm wishing I hadn't woken Noah at all---as he is now grumpy, we are going outside.....

[debo620]

haven't thought about doing a chair at the sink for Noah, thought he might fall he is just now starting to climb, so here comes the fun...

Noah was grumpy come 6:30---so windown and in crib for 7:00----but he didn't fall asleep til 7:30--with lots of quiet for 10min. quick cry out (<5sec) and then finally quiet. so I do think he is a bit OT right now

[CJF]

ugh!!!! well, the short am nap thing didn't work for a longer pm nap today.    joey had about a 40 minute am nap...maybe it was 45, but not much more than that.  and i put him down for pm nap about 3.5 hours later and de didn't fight it much so i thought he was going to take a good nap.  nope!!  he was awake about 40 minutes later.  i tried to get him to go back to sleep and he actually did but only for a very short bit maybe 15-20 minutes.  
and then for bed...i guess he went to bed too late today (we had some errands to do tonight and then bath ) he fell asleep pretty good and then was up a few minutes later wanting more milk so i gave him more milk and he had a hard time staying asleep.  he finally fell asleep about 8:50.
maybe i kept him up too long in between naps???  should i do 3 hours instead of 3.5?  also, should his am nap be 30 and no more?  do you think the 45 min is too long?  do you think it will take a few days of this short am nap thing to = a longer pm nap?

[debo620]

lol Stacy, well Noah loves the water----so maybe we'll venture to the sink tommorow. 30-60min sounds promising.....

CJF, I absolutely hated 40min am naps, I could never in my life figure out what the perfect amount of A times was after that to ensure a good pm nap.  If it was me, I would try for a 30min am nap---and then crib 2.75hrs later so that he is asleep by the 3hrs mark. I actually did 2.5hr and then he played for 30min and was usually alseep by the 3hr mark. for whatever reason, it was like a 40min am was just a bit too long.

[M and N's Mom]

CJF - here's a different answer to Deb's.  We had a great 40 min am nap routine for a couple of months here.  I think your A time between naps is too long though.  We did:

2.75h A
40 min nap
2.5h A
1.5h + nap
3.5h A
bedtime

We're having to change it now as 40 mins was too long, but my LO is a bit older.


Stacy and Deb...DS LOVES to play in the sink too.  He loves to "help" me do dishes.  Actually yesterday he was on the stool with his hands in the sink (no water there at the time) and I left for 1 min to help DD with something and came back and he was sitting IN the sink    He's such a climber!

[Carmela's Mom]

Ditto the others!  I have an extremely cranky boy the last few days who is getting a new tooth so I'm sure its teething but I'm thinking maybe its this new schedule

We do:

6:30 awake (as early as 6 and as late as 7)
10-10:30 nap
1:15in bed - (usually 1.5 hour nap)
7:00 bedtime

Any comments on this routine that maybe its the routine making him tired and cranky??? I'm outta my mind

[M and N's Mom]

Carmela's Mom

Do you do your naps at the same time (on the clock) or the same amount of A time?  If he wakes at 6, do you do put him down earlier?  I know my ds has short A times, but I still think trying shorter A times might help.  Or, maybe it is just the teething!

I REALLY wish there were definite answers too!  Good luck!