Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[scucci1979]

I can never figure out the length of day A requires, 12 or 13hr day. I think it depends on her nap and how well rested she is. I have to leave it up to her to decide to lengthen her night(I can't believe I just wrote that).  I say anything 11hrs and beyond is wonderful Cyndie. I have noticed that A will do some wonderful nights followed by some 10.5hour nights. I don't know what they mean, but it could all be part of the transition. I too think too much day sleep b/c when A was doing 2.5hours of day sleep her nights were just a tad short of 11hrs. Then yesterday she did a nap or 1hr and 50min and gave me a 11hr and 45min night. I don't know Claire. 

If he didn't fight bt then I wouldn't worry about the length of the A.  Poor guy. Canines are not fun.  Fx for a good night.

I did give her a 16min Cn. I went for a walk at 4:40pm and she fell asleep at 4:50pm in the stroller. Woke her up just after 5pm and put her down for bed at 7:30pm.  She chatted a little so guess a little UT here and eventually fell asleep at 7:47pm. 

[clairebear79]

We got a 10h 50 night last night - up for the day at 6am after a brief WU at 5.40.  So clearly not enough A time before BT.  Its funny Sabs b/c when A is UT at BT she takes ages to settle to sleep, whereas O will always go to sleep pretty quickly but just wakes early the next day.

Anyhow we decided to watch him for tired cues today as he doesn't seem to be tired at 10am anymore, he rubbed his eyes once at 10.30, then again at 11 whilst I was giving him lunch, then I put him in bed at 11.15am, asleep just before 11.30am (5.5hrs A).  Wow.  This boy is amazing me with the A times he is doing now.  Although I'm not sure if he is just so busy playing that he hasn't got time for sleep now IYKWIM?  I sometimes think I have to put him down just b/c he's been up 5hrs already, b/c if I didn't he'd just carry on playing all day long!

[scucci1979]

so true Claire. A can do 5.5h hours of A time in the am.  I think they are too busy playing and discovering new things that they forget they are tired. Sigh.

She woke up at 6:45am this morning. She was very fussy at 11am so I fed her some lunch and that seemed to help her mood a little. 30min later, she just wanted to cuddle with me and her blankie.  Brought her upstairs at 12pm and put her down. She fell asleep instantly. this was the same A time I used yesterday and it produced a short nap. Don't' know what I will get today? I probably should of just held her a bit more and waited for her to yawn a few times. She didn't yawn or rub her eyes at all.

[clairebear79]

Its so hard to figure them out!  Oliver rarely yawns or rubs his eyes either.  Did she do a decent nap for you?

Our day went:
Wake: 6am
A = 5.5hrs
Nap:  11.30 - 1.45  (2h 15)
A = 4.75hrs
BT:    6.30

I am sooo hoping for an 11.5hr night from him tonight.  Its his first full day at nursery (daycare) tomorrow & if he wakes at 5.30am & they don't put him down to nap until after lunch he will be soooo OT. EEk!

[lulunut]

Clairebear-our usual routine is

5:15-5:45W with AP until 6-6:30 (depends on hour early I have to got work)
12pm Nap usually 1.5 hrs (rarely will he sleep more)
7:45-8pm BT

I figured out that the NW was due to his allergy to grass.  He was waking up itchy.  We just discovered this! 

[scucci1979]

we got an 11hr night. I heard her at 6:45am. Put her down at 12pm but she didn't go down peacefully. She stood up and laughed at me. Oh boy, I hope we don't get an UT nap here.  I don't know what to do, follow the clock or wait until she yawns a few times. In order for me to see her yawn, I have to walk with her for a good 20min. She can play all day if I let her.

I wonder if you can push out that nap a little more, like 12:15pm?

[clairebear79]

lulunut - wow your LO does a long A in the PM!  Do you think if you PD for his nap a touch later he might sleep a little longer?  Might also encourage a later WU too.

Ladies we had a 5.30am WU today.  Siigh.  That was an 11hr night, after what I though had been a really good 1 nap day.  Maybe we are just not destined to have 12hr nights in our house!

Oliver had his 1st day at nursery today & it didnt go so well.  Had to pick him up at 3.30 as he was fussy/crying & had a high temperature.

Wake: 5.30am
Nap:  10.30 - 11.00  (I asked them to PD by 10am latest.  He slept 30mins - woke himself - clearly would be OT after 5hrs A time)
Nap:   3.55 - 4.55    (numerous attempts to get him to nap at nursery failed.  I PD as soon as we got home, asleep in minutes he was exhausted.  I woke him after 1hr as I knew he'd be foul when I woke him after doing 5hr A after a 30min nap.  He was awful - crying, clinging to me & clearly quite poorly.  Still had fever & just sat on my knee leaning against me & dozed on & off.  I just couldn't keep him awake he was so lethargic.
BT:    7.00  (straight to sleep)

I KNOW we are likely to get EW tomorrow (since he was pretty much asleep most of the time from 4pm onwards) but there was no way in the world I could make him stay awake when he was feeling so poorly.  He's not one to sit still EVER & never comes to me for cuddles so he must've been out of sorts.  Siigh.

[scucci1979]

don't worry Claire. Nursery is a huge adjustment for him. It will take time! he may catch up tonight.
Is he teething or coming down with something?

Something must be in the air b/c A was very fussy today. Napped for 1hr and 50min, and I aimed for a bt just about 5.5hours later. She went down easily but woke up crying 30min later. Not sure if it is OT or pain related. I know wakings a few hours after put to bed means OT. I decided to give her advil but she got even more upset b/c I had to force it in her mouth. Sigh.

[clairebear79]

It definitely sounds like there's something in the air - there's 2 other ladies on the BC with poorly LO's too.  How was she overnight?

O slept til 6am with 2 brief WU's overnight & I didn't even have to go to him.  Was quite amazed.  He was really off-it last night - lethargic, fever, refusing to eat, he just dozed on me for a whole hour from 5-6pm & I think part of it was down to nursery, but he was definitely unwell too.

This morning he still has a raised temperature & looks shockingly exhausted, but was a lot lot perkier than yesterday.  He was ready for his nap at 9.30am though so I put him down & am just letting him sleep.  I'm not capping his nap at 45mins or less this morning as if he's poorly its just not fair.  Obviously if he wakes himself then that's fine.

[scucci1979]

Poor thing! Hugs

I herd her cry at 4am but she settled on her own. Then 6:30am she was crying again. I went to her she was laying down crying. It was a strange cry-like pain.  I picked her up and rocked her for a while. I probably should of left her but I didn't want her to wake up Madi, which she did. She dozed for a few minutes on my shoulder and Madi came into her room to watch. Strange child I have. She wouldn't wait in my room. Finally after 10mins, Madi decided to open A's blinds.

[clairebear79]

How strange.  Do you think she maybe woke with teething pain or something & then wanted some 'mummy comfort'  Must be hard when you have 2 to deal with & 1 wakes up the other.

After his poorly day yesterday, Oliver slept 9.30-11am this morning (woke himself) & that was it for today.  I left him in bed from 2.45 - 4pm to try for a nap & no joy.  Then I took him for a drive from 4-5pm & still nothing,  Absolutely wide awake & happy.  So came home, did tea & he played happily right until BT at 6.30pm.  Absolutely no fussing or crying or anything.  And he's still awake in his cot at 6.50pm, after almost 8hrs A time.  WTF is going on

[scucci1979]

so we got a nap from 11:45-1:40pm. What time would you do bt? 7:10pm.  That would make her day 12.5hours. Is that fine?

[clairebear79]

Great nap!  I would say so.  How long are her days usually?

[scucci1979]

they normally range 12.5-13hours. I like to stick with 13hours b/c she will most likely give me 11hr nights.
I had her asleep by 7:10pm. Hoping for an 11.5hr night.

Claire, is he spirited? I forget what temperament he is.  I think he just hit his second wind. Alyssa has done that to me before.  it is really hard to to two naps with these los now.
Any nws so far?

[clairebear79]

Sabs - how did she fare overnight?

O always scored at touchy when he was younger but I think he may also have a spirited streak.  He's so into everything!  Agree re: the second wind.  Well he woke crying quite a few times in the early part of the night, but self settled within 1-2mins.  Slept from 7pm through to 6.15am so 11h 15.  So a regular night's sleep.  Not bad but I was kinda hoping he might do a bit longer to make up for what he missed yesterday PM.

We've actually done 1 nap today.  He wasnt tired at 10am or 10.20am so I decided it was getting too late in the AM for a 2 nap day.  Just after 10.30am he suddenly started to show tired signs, but to my mind it was already past the point of no return for 2 naps.  He started to fuss & cry just after 11am so I PD & he was asleep at 11.15am (5hrs A).  I'm not sure how to work a 2 nap routine when he's not ready to sleep until 10.30am - any ideas?  If I did:

Wake:   6-6.30 (if I'm lucky)
Nap:    10 - 10.30
Nap:     1.30/2 - 3/3.30   (capped at 1.5hrs)
BT:       6.30/7pm

would that be enough A time to BT after a 1.5hr PM nap   Or am I better just going with 1 nap at 11.30am every day?  I really don't know if I should hang in there a while longer with the 2 naps & try to consistently put him down at the same times every day as we are jumping around all over the place again like we used to & it all feels like his routines gone all out of control.  Like we have a 2 nap day, then a 1 nap day with AM A time of 5hrs, the next day he does 6hrs, the day after we're back to a 2 nap day but then he refuses the PM nap.  We're kind of in a mess again.