Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[lulunut]

Oh Claire!  I am sorry that you are having so much trouble.

I am not sure you can do much about day care days.  He is probably OS there and 1 nap is all he will do.  At least mine does this, which leads to OT and short naps which for me leads to early BT and EW which I AP.  On days when my LO is home with me I try to extend his nap with AP.  I can usually put him back in his crib and get an additional 20-30 min out of him.  I keep BT early.  7:15.  This is long A time for my LO but after a few days he gets better.

I have learned that longer nap leads to less EW.  However, I can't get a longer nap when he is OS with OT!  It's a struggle.  I remember being in your spot.  It's a cycle that sucks!  You will get through it.  Hugs for you. 

[greenteamomma]

Well, here I again! 
I recognize many of you :-P
Struggling with a time for one nap.  She seems ut, babbling till she's gone too far.  She slept in this morning after a bad day.  She resists pm nap with 2o min am nap and nights are almost always 12 hrs. 
Today was
Wake 7 .25
Nap 11.45 but babbled then had a bm so changed her in dark, babble then finally wined and i shhed and patted her bum and she went down at 12.50!!!!
My anxiety levels are throught the roof, I go back to work in a week, HELP PLEASE!!!

[clairebear79]

thanks lulunut!  I think that's exactly where we're at too.  The last 2 days I've stuck with 4.75hrs A time & yesterday he went down in 5mins flat & slept 2.5hrs.  B/c he woke early he had a long A to BT & wound up OT. 

Wake: 6am  (11h 15 sleep BUT Woke repeatedly overnight)
Nap:   10.55am - 12.15pm  (
BT:     6.30pm

He was very excitable, squealing & crawling around in circles all morning.  I put him down aiming for 4.75hrs A & he fought sleep - I knew as soon as I put him in bed he was already way OT.  We got a short nap & then he poo'd so there was no way he would go back down to sleep.  Got up & went out for a couple of hours, hoping he'd sleep in the car but nope.  Tried a nap in the cot when we got home but he refused, even though he was clearly tired.  So we ended up with another stupidly long A time to bed.  He is very very OT atm & I can't seem to get him out of this spiral.  I think I need to shorten his A's back up & go back to basics but advice on my thread is to stick at it & ride out the OT.  Thing is, he doesn't handle OT well at all.  We just get more EW.

greenteamomma - can you post your EASY for a typical 2 nap day so we can see what sort of times she is taking (or resisting) her naps?  What is a typical WU for her?  Have you tried many 1 nap days yet or is this the first one?  How did she sleep today in the end?  I would guess if she is seeming UT then you might need to extend her A a little.  So maybe instead of 4h 15mins try 4.5hrs?  If she doesn't settle well then increase it a little more.  HTH.x

[lulunut]

Just venting!  I am so, so ticked off!  1 hour naps equal 5am wake!!!  Tues-Thurs at Grannies kill me!!!  She tries to put him back down but he just has such a busy brain!  I can't do PD at 5am cus he wakes everyone else up.  I want a sound proof room!!!!

[clairebear79]

I feel your pain lulunut!!!!  We are in OT EW hell too - 5am WU here as well, after 1hr 15min nap yesterday.  I am never successful at PD either - it just revs him up too much - & we haven't even got other children to think about.  It must be hard.

I really can't wait for this 2-1 to be over.  We are back with 2 naps today - he's just about to go down for nap 2 & I sure hope its a good one.

[lulunut]

Yep!  I am exactly where you are!!  I get no more than 1.5 naps and that is pushing it!  This morning 4:50am with a 45 min PD and up down to make sure I was still there and he finally slept until 6:50 but my DD was up at 5:30 with all the screaming!!!  I have come to the conclusion that WTS maybe my only other option.  It makes me nervous but it's time!  I have been doing this for a year now and it's time to stop the madness!!!

[clairebear79]

How are things ladies?  We had a bit of a setback b/c DS has been poorly AGAIN.  We went back to 2 naps b/c he was rather OT & after 3 days we're back at nap resistance.  We are working on cutting the AM nap back drastically, & all being well provided he doesn't get ill again, we should be in a position to try 1 nap again.

[newmama12]

Ladies, I need some quick input! We're still mostly on 2 naps. The AM being cut at 20. Then the PM being whatever. Today got kind of messed up b/c he slept in later. Woot!! So, I was going to go for the 1 nap at 11, after dd's soccer. Well, we get to soccer at 10 and it gets cancelled/rescheduled until 1:00 b/c no kids show up. Lovely. So, I ran back home to put him down. Here's my dilemma....

He's been down 20 minutes (went down at 10:40). Do I wake him now so that he can nap again (at about 2:00) after dd's soccer. Or do I let him sleep till he wants, I'm guessing it'll be 1.5 hours and then we most likely won't have a PM CN and he'll be a BEAR? Or I can try a PM CN at, say 3:30ish, depending on how long he sleeps now. IDK!! I do know that there's no way he'll be able to go from, say, 12:30-BT. That's way too long of a PM for him.

[clairebear79]

Hi Cyndie - only just reading this - been at work today!  So guessing am too late - what did you do in the end?

Can I ask what your days are looking like now?  What A times are you doing ATM & have your EW's gone? 

We have been trying to push 1 nap & it keeps going a bit disasterously.  We stuck it for 2 weeks & ended up with awful EW which we've spent a couple of weeks trying to get rid of.  I have a thread running & advice is to keep pushing the 1 nap & allow a CN whenever he needs it but getting a PM cn from O is virtually impossible & with EW we are just getting so OT.  I am giving it one last try & if it all goes to pot then I will be getting a 2 nap routine re-established with a very short AM nap too.

[newmama12]

Claire, I ended up waking him after about 25 minutes (so at 11:10). I knew he'd only be able to sleep till 12:15 b/c I would have to wake him to feed him lunch before we had to go. Then he'd either be up the entire afternoon or CN, if I was lucky. I didn't want to risk it. I just laid him down again at about 2:15, so we'll see how it goes.

We're pretty much on the same schedule but we are getting a bit later WU's (knock on wood!). Most days it's looking like this:

6:30-ish WU (sometimes 6:15, today 6:50!)
10-10:25 nap
1:00-2:30 nap
7:00 BT

So far, this seems to be working fine. However, today is the very first day he has ever fought me on the nap. He is having a bit of separation issues, so I don't know if that's the case. Normally, he goes very willingly, but both times today he clung to me crying. I had to leave him there and, seriously, within 1 minute he was asleep. So, I think it was just the separation, not that he wasn't tired. So, yeah, a whole other issue to deal with now.  
He's also been really tired lately. He's teething and getting over being sick, so that probably has something to do with it. But over the weekend, I had to put him down for a nap at 9am!   He was practically begging for it. LOL! I let him go an hour, instead. Figured he needed sleep or something.

For now, we're just going along with this schedule. If we start getting EWs again, I'm going to have to tweak it a bit. I need to start getting him to 1 nap on the days dd isn't in school. Today would have worked out 'perfect' had we not had an issue with the soccer schedule. I'll probably only let him nap 1.5, if he makes it that long, so that we can keep with the 7pm BT tonight. Seems like my kid needs more sleep that dd did at this age. He wants to sleep more during the day, so we still have a hard time getting to 1 nap. His 'A' time seems to be about 4 hours after waking in the AM, then about 2.5-3 after a 30 minute nap in the AM. We'll get there....eventually.

Honestly, if the 2 nap works for you guys and you don't get EWs, then I say keep with it until he can go longer. That's pretty much what we're doing b/c J seems to need that morning nap. I haven't tried a PM CN, so not sure if he would go for it, but I have my doubts since he isn't use to it. But IDK! If you can push that AM nap to 10 or even 10:30 and keep it 30 minutes max, then do the PM, that might help with the EW?! Heck, today he did the AM nap from 10:45-11:10 and went down again at 2:15, so we'll have to see how this works out!

[newmama12]

Well, today was a good day for us to attempt the 1 nap, so we did. He went down at 11:20 and was up at 1:00. Barely 1.5 hours. Gonna be a looooonnnng afternoon. Guess we'll be aiming for a 6:30 BT tonight.


ETA: Well, I knew I was going to jinx myself.  Past 2 mornings we've gotten a 5:45 WU (one morning 4:45! but got him back to sleep). Argh! We did have a wonky schedule the past few days, though. And, I attempted 1 nap yesterday which he only napped about 1 hour 40 minutes then had a 5.5 hr afternoon. I think it was a bit much. Today we'll be back to the normal 2 nap, super short AM, longer PM. So, we'll see if that helps at all.

[newbabe]

Girls Im a newby to the 2:1 transition, only trying it for the last week. But am I right in thinking that you all have trouble with EMorn wakings when this happens. Have 18 month textbook (touch spirited) boy that was sleeping 1.5hrs am and pm and 11 hrs night very consistently till 10days ago. have now gradually moved the napp to 12.30-1pm and bedtime 7.30 but having 5 or 6 am wakings...
Thanks for your wisdom!

[ZacsMumme]

Did you just drop one nap? Or gradually shorten one till you were at 1 nap? It could be your LO is OT from the change...

[clairebear79]

Agree sounds like some OT happening.  Can you show us your EASY, before things changed?  And what prompted you to just do the 1 nap?  Did you get nap/BT resistance, naps shortened, NW's or EW's?

If your LO were younger I would say you may have jumped to 1 nap too quickly but at his age he *should* be able to cope with the transition a lot better than if he were say 13months. 

Its pretty normal for them to get OT during the transition & is probably something you will have to ride out.  Is he managing to last until 12.30pm for his nap OK?  How long is he sleeping for now he's on 1 nap?  If his naps are less than 2hrs he might need BT bringing a bit earlier to help mop up any OT.

[newbabe]

Oh thanks so much for replies, yes he started waking up after 1hr at morning nap and either resisting pm nap, waking a lot at night, so I figured it was transition time (a marathon textbook sleeper since 3 months old, consistantly, lucky us!!)

EASY prior to this was:

7./730 Wake cheerfully  play in cot 20 min

 7.30 Cup milk , breakfast 8.30

10/10.30 nap for 1.5 hr (wakes self, like clockwork)

Lunch 12.30

3./3.30 Nap 1.5hr (wakes self

 Snack 4pm

 Diinner 5.30

7.30 Wind down & milk in bedroom

Sleep before 8pm

He is managing transition v well really by day, can last to 12.30 or 1.30 without too many meltdowns, but wrecked then. Was only sleeping for 1.5-2 hrs  but the last 2 days have been 2.5 hrs and today was 2 hr 50 min! (Should I have woken him? Feel he needs to catch up on the night/EM wakes)

Wrecked by 7, winddown starts then and he is in bed for 7.30.
He is crying going down at night (up with dad, melting down as I speak!) but I think its over tiredness, but scared if I put him down earlier he will wake even earlier! Waking up in the morning crying, and at night (only for 10 min last night at 2am), but v cheerful after the nap today

Thanks guys for the help