Support Thread for 2-1 Nap Transition cont'd pt 4

[clairebear79]

Spleenie - no - just many LO's who are taking a 2hr+ night just dont need more than 11hrs at night.  Many mums seem to find that after a few months LO starts to need a bit extra A - making the day a bit longer (& night gets a bit shorter).  Having said that, your LO is napping 1.5hrs - are you waking her or is she waking herself?  You may find that with the slightly shorter nap you may be lucky & keep the longer nights.

j.and.e we had a lovely xmas thanks.  Hope your LO settles soon.x

[Spleenie]

I wake her, if she sleeps passed 2.30pm she has a REALLY unsettled night as she is U/T x x x

[clairebear79]

Well I think you'll be just fine then.  Enjoy your 12hr+ nights!!!!

We're stuck on 10-10.5hrs with a 2hr nap & I think I need to start nap cutting too.  But b/c of EW he has always napped early like 11am so I am currently in process of pushing it out & I wanted to do this first to make sure its not just the timing of the nap that's the problem.  We're currently at 11.45am & I think in reality I need to have O napping at 12.30-1pm.  We're finding it very tough - he is incredibly OT & his naps are shorter & nights are getting more restless.  Am hoping that with consistency he will start to adjust soon.

[Spleenie]

Aw Claire, how do you cope with the EW's?! I've read your posts over the months and i REALLY feel for you! You cope really well tho! Hope things settle for you both soon.

Do you work? x x x

[clairebear79]

Its not easy.  When he was younger & waking at 3-4am wanting to be up for the day I had to sleep in the day when he slept b/c I just couldn't function otherwise.  I got very depressed.  But I got through it.  And we did get out of the early wake/early nap/early BT cycle when he was 11/12 months & realised what life should have been like for us & it gave me hope!  OK so we're back here atm, but I'm hanging onto the hope we'll get out of it again.  I also realise he is an earlybird by nature.  So am I tbh, but I like to see a 6 on the clock & not a 5!!! 

He's been very restless at naptime today.  After a 5.30am WU, he was asleep at 11.55, woke at 30mins, 1hr, 1.5hrs, 1h 40 & 1h 50.  Am just waiting for him to wake properly at the 2hr mark, or I will wake him.  And even though it was restless, that was the longest nap we've had all week so I'm pleased.  Now means I have to shoot for a later BT in order to effect a later WU.  I'll just die if we go with a 7pm BT & he wakes at 5.30am again.  Maybe I should try for 7.30pm but I am worried given how early he got up that too long a day is worse than not enough A before BT.  What do you think - do I push the day regardless?

[Spleenie]

I am no expert at all hun but I am wondering what would happen if you let him have a 2.5 hour nap and then a 7.30 bedtime? x x x

[clairebear79]

Hiya hun.  I only just read this - we got him up after 2hrs.  I'd love to give him 2.5hrs but sadly 2.5hr naps = 10hr nights here.  Its just too much daysleep.  And if I did 2.5hr nap he'd not be tired enough for bed after just 5hrs.  He's not really tired enough for bed with 5hrs A after a 2hr nap these days.  I am finally realising he has always been lower than average sleep needs.  I think deep down I've always known but just reluctant to admit.

He was very very tired tonight so asleep at 7.05pm.  Am hoping we get an 11hr night but bit worried it will only be 10.5.  We're in a bit of a vicious cycle here - he's getting OT from the long days/long A to nap time so nap is shortening (today excepted), which makes it difficult to extend his A time to BT, but I think this is what he really needs in order to get a later WU.
I am staying with the plan to keep nap at midday & start pushing BT later by 15mins each week until its 7.30pm & then I will live in hope!

[j.and.e]

My LO is having lots of NWs atm and am not sure if its settling back after our hols, prop rellated (handholding) or OT from short naps. Its a 1nap day 2day so lets see how we go xx

[choc]

Hi ladies, just looking for some advice on how to get over OT ?  We are doing 20min AM nap at 10am and then PM nap at 1.15.  This second nap has been short lately, 30mins!  He does have a cold so not sure if it is cold ot OT.  Any way, I can't get him to sleep longer, EBT means he wakes 12hrs later so like 6am, and 2 naps often means 2x30/45 min naps.

How can I get him over the OT?

I though about dropping the 20min nap to maybe force him to sleep longer  in the afternoon, but I am worried that will make OT worse.  Also his childminder can't do his nap til 12.30, and if we are having to do EBT and then he wakes at 6am, how do I get him to a 12.30 nap?  That is a massive jump.

[*Kara*]

Gemma - I would move his AM nap back to 930 and wake at 1015 for one day and see what happens...  You might not be able to get PM nap until closer to 2pm but he likely wouldn't sleep longer than 90 mins as his body clock will rouse him a bit, KWIM?

[choc]

Hi Kara, thanks for replying.  In the end I let him do what he wanted and for me he did 2x30min naps and then the next day for the CM he did 1hr25 and 40mins! 

I am going to keep letting him catch up for a couple of days if I can then go for the 1 nap.  Just got to fit timings round the CMs school runs.  It would be so much easier if I could stay home with him.

[*Kara*]

LOL!  Cheeky monkey sleeping so well for the CM!  I would bet he just tires himself out more there - are there other kids to play with?

[dijjibob]

Hi ladies
     I have been reading through posts for a few weeks now to try and sort out both my LOs sleeping, i have a neally 14 month old and a 2.5 year old and both dropping naps, arrhhhh.
     I hope that doing it all once dropping from 2-1 nap with DD1 i maybe able to offer some advice along the way, she always did a long am nap and short pm and i remember the week she went to one nap successfully at 15 months old and we got back to 7-7 sleeping with two hour nap, i really can't wait to get to this with DD2 and hope you all get it too very soon.
    DD2 though is a different story as i cannot just stay in all morning waiting for the exact A times and be able to pop in the car to AP a short nap or add a cat nap so i am sruggling.
    Our routine had been working 30 min nap between 9.30 and 10 i woke her and then pm nap - 1.30 for 1h30 minutes.
    Then she resisted her pm nap untill neally 2.00 which ment on childminder day she had to be up at 3 for school run and so messed her up.
    I changed to 20 min am nap at 9.40 usually as this fits in with toddler groups, music group ect and walks home from playgroup. Pm nap at 1.15 for 1h45 and betime 7.15 waking 7 or later

   Sadly i think i missed my point where i should have dropped that am nap and she got sick so we had EW ( well for us ) 6.15 sometimes 6.30. Now i just dont know how to move things back, as she is up early she can't make to one nap day and as she keeps having am nap she wakes early in morning, or pm nap goes wrong often 1.10 and so early bedtime meaning more EW.
   Yesturday i read your post Kara about bring am nap early to 9.30 letting her do 45 mins and later pm and as home in afternoon i thought i could work, exept she woke herself at 25 minutes and wanted an early pm 12.30 for 1h 20, tried early bedtime but she played untill 7.35 and awake 6.30.
    I have just wrote a huge essay i ma sorry but does anyone have any ideas where i go to get back on track and get to one nap soon. DD1 is dropping her nap too so if she doesn't nap in day we cannot go out in car or pram after 3 just to make it more a pain)
 

[choc]

Hi Kara, yes he has other kids to play with so I think he does get more worn out!
We are doing 1 nap today - arh!

[clairebear79]

dijjibob - if you want to just go for it I'd say shoot for nap at 11.30 - let her sleep as long as she wants & you may need to pull BT a wee bit earlier for a while - then in a coupl of weeks once she's used to it you can start to gradually push nap & BT back out.