I am so desperate, can someone help me?

[yaya]

My DD is 14 mos and wakes between 7 and 8, nap at 12.45- 1ish then bedtime between 7.30 and 8
wanna try those times for a few days? see how it goes?
Other tip: i take my kids out in the afternoon to tire them out and on days when I take them trampolining the sleep is sooooo much better. Do u have a park near you? Are you able to take them out, i'm thinking strenuos physical exercise ; )
What happens if u leave DD at EW? Do u have a baby monitor and can u heard her without it?

[NiknLily]

Oh Rach honey, I thought you where onto a winner there.  I think you are just gonna have to get through this cold and start again.  I think you are right about her sleep needs and once she is well you can just carry on with putting her down for her 'ideal' routine and stick with it.  To be honest if things get messy with this cold you could almost risk sticking her down at a later bedtime, one that in theory will give a 6am wake up and then just ride it out until she settles onto it, using wi/wo for early wake ups and nap extension if necessary or possible.  Some might think thats an extreme way of dealing with it but in my experience just sticking with set times works so very well with toddlers.  If Lily's sleep gets messed up I just stick with our normal routine and she usually is back on track in 3/4 days tops, less normally.  I used to adjust things to suit her OT but everytime I do it always backfires.

Got fingers crossed her cold passes quickly :-)

[RACHPEM]

Thanks again, Maya does have quite an active day on most days but sleep is no different I think her body has just got used to less sleep.  She did not actualy fall asleep until 7.30 last night but just resulted in even earlier wake up.  If I leave her in the mornings she just screams what seems like forever! we do have a monitor and I cant bear her being so upset.  Btw she has only slept 1.20 mins for nap but seems ok.  I would love your times Yaya but I am a little apprehensive at the mo to stretch her quite so far given the fact she is awake at 4.30, so I think I am just going to have to ride this cold out first and then maybe look at altering things.  We were getting nearer to 5.30 so maybe it is just a bllip cause of cold, I will carry on for a few days after her cold is better and then access again, I guess that is all i can do.  Once this cold is over  and we can get a couple of days with consistent wake ups then I may be able to do a later day.
Rachael x

[yaya]

have u tried rescue remdedy? herbal sleep aide?

[RACHPEM]

No I have never tried that, although Medised does not make her sleepy and that is supposed to have something in it to make sleep easier when feeling off,
Rachael x

[yaya]

i got rescue remedy night for me but it says it's for the whole family, might be worth a shot

[Mama2boys]

Hi Rachael,

You are probably in the UK, but I tried a US version of homeopathic sleep remedy - called Calms Forte and it worked well...I used it for a few days on DS with his NW and it sort of broke the habit I think..at least for the lats 2 days..but when you have a DS like mine, you don't count on this to be forever. but would be worth a short for you.

And its better than Medised since its got no side effects etc.

Also, what I do is with EW, DS and I cuddle up on the couch and just lie there till its 'time' for morning milk etc. At at times he does here and there and it allows me to doze a bit as well. Would this be something you are Keen on? DS uses a pacifier and cuddle his burp cloth and we us that on the couch as well (so he still beleive sit sleep time, only time paci is allowe) . I avoid bringing him to our bed because then he 'enjoys' that a bit too much and thinks its a a game...

Also part of our EW?NW is due to uncomfy nappy, he is in night nappies and oversized one sbut he pees a lot in the night and that wakes him up

[RACHPEM]

Hi all, I have tried staying in her room and climbing into her bed which does work and like you say when you are tired you will try anything and i do sometimes fall back to sleep even if Maya does not however I really dont want that to be a long term thing so would prefer not to go back to that again.  Skatty also reccomended Calms forte so I will have to see if we can get it here as I am in the uk.  I only gice medised if she is unwell but like i say it might numb the pain but not help her sleep.  I guess due to the wonderful weather we have been havng she has not been as active as normal but then hving said that for about a wk she has just wanted to sit on my lap I think due to this cold, fingers crossed it will pass quickly,
Thanks again for everyone's input.
Rachael x

[Mama2boys]

Rachael,

you can try Teetha (homeoathic) form Boots if you think its teething related discomfort, and it also calms them down a bit like Calms Forte but I think its a bit mild. But if you talk to someone in boots they are sure to have something simsilar to CAlms Forte, maybe take a printout of the CF ingredients.

Also try Whole Foods, I am in the US but found it hard to find CF and only found it in Whole Foods and there is a Whole Foods in London. Where are you? Maybe they can mail to you if they carry it in the UK.

Nelson's pharmacy might have a similar sleep remedy as well, again London based but they are very helpful.

HTH
Mukta

[RACHPEM]

Thanks, I will see what i can find.

[Vicku]

Hi Rachael!
Just catching up on you progress... Sorry Maya is unwell, hope it passes soon!
I agree, try the sleep remedies. It's worth a shot. 11.5-12 hrs might be what she's wired to do though, and in that case going onto a 'tailored' schedule to allow for a 6am wake up instead is probably the best thing to do. You'd need an 8pm bedtime and then nap at12:30/1 or something. Agree to take it easy during the cold, but I don't think you should worry too much about extending bedtime. The sooner you can do it the sooner she'll be getting used to the new routine IMHO.
HUGS for the 4am wake ups! It must be so hard! xxxx Vicku

[RACHPEM]

just a quick question for Skatty if she is about, did you try calms forte on Leorah? did they do anything? I have had a quick lok on the net and it appears I can get them here so let me know if they work.
Rachael x

[yaya]

am not skatty but i had taken Kalms myself and they DID work
hth a little

[Mama2boys]

Rachael,

me again..we tried Calms forte with DS, it worked but only after I gave him 3 doses with a 15 minute seperation...

[RACHPEM]

Hi all, well we were up again at 4.30!!! no way she was going back to sleep although ashe was tired as she was just rolling around in cot, I think I will give the homepathic remedies a go I have nothing else to loose but I just dont know how to cope in the meantime it is killing me.  Her overall sleep has now dropped to 11hrs in total surely this is way under for her age?
Rachael x