I am so desperate, can someone help me?

[bethanys mummy]

Hey glad to hear things are on an up (keeping fingers crossed). I wanted to say that we got through our OT thing but agree with what everyone said about things taking time - it took a good 4 days of early to bed and precise napping to get back on track, and this was after just a realtively brief period of being OT. Jus reminded me so much of what you are going through

But guess what, she has got another cold so may well be able to give you some more "recent experience" thoughts!!

Nike - could you please send me the link re video monitor? the latest OT bout has reminded me it may still be useful!!

E x

[nike]

Hey Emma.  Happy to hear things have settled down for you, too.   

Can't remember where you're at (I'm in Australia) but here is the link anyway:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-WIRELESS-VIDEO-COLOUR-NIGHT-VISION-BABY-MONITOR-SET_W0QQitemZ230291432937QQihZ013QQcategoryZ150586QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ours was $140, express postage included.  I literally bought it in the morning and it was in our letterbox the next day.  If you're wondering about the night vision, it really does work.  DS's room is totally blacked out for day and night sleeps.  I only wish I'd had one for DS1, but they were so expensive back then.  HTH.

[RACHPEM]

Morning all.  Maya woke at 5am this morning again, and I know you said this could happen but now what ? If I stick to 11,30 nap time this makes 6.5 hrs A time wont we get into OT again? but if I bring it forward my day is going to be shifted the other way which obviously you can imagine I really dont want.  I know she did a 11 hr nt the other day but I really cant see her doing more than 10.5 as I think the 11 was just due to the fact she had slept so little and was just catching up.  This morning I left her til 6am and she never fell back to sleep and seemed quite content.  So what can I do ?
Rachaelx

[nike]

She still rested til 6 a.m., so that's a good thing.  Still aim for an 11/11.30 nap, but watch closely for tired signs.  Tone the playing down right before nap and do early lunch and straight into bed.  If she only sleeps 1.5 hrs from 11, I'd be aiming for bedtime no later than 6 p.m.   You don't want 6 hours in the a.m. and then 6 again in the p.m.

Does she have her best A time in the morning or afternoon?  I only ask bc my DS2 can manage 6 hours quite well in the morning and then a shorter A time in the arvo, but if you reverse that he ends up a screaming heap 

Atm I think you're looking at a 5-6 a.m. wakeup, 11-11.30 nap, 6-6.30 bedtime.  Not too confusing.

Let us know how you get on.

Edited to add:

if I bring it forward my day is going to be shifted the other way which obviously you can imagine I really dont want

You are only allowing her to catch up on missed sleep and reversing the OT cycle.  As soon as she catches up you can then look at progressively shifting the day back 15, 20 minutes at a time.  My bet is it's going to take you a little while to get there but hang in there, it will work!

[RACHPEM]

Thanks Nike , my only prob today is I am working so I wont be able to get Maya into bed until 6.30

[RACHPEM]

In bed and fast asleep by 6.30 woke at 5.18 this morning and put her down at 11.30 still asleep now!!! do I still do 6.30 even if she sleeps more than 1.5?
Hubby did morning shift this morning so it was lovely and mil is having her tonight as it is our anniversary and we are out I just hope it does not mess her sleep up to much.
Rachaelx

[bethanys mummy]

Hi there

sorry ,missed your post. I would still do 6.30 even if she slept say 1,50 as thats still 5 hours A time, still catching up sont forget

Hope all went well. And nice that you had "your shift" covered - make sure its regular thing! Hope you enjoy your anniversary and night sleep was ok . If I recall correctly she did have a NW or two last time your MIL had her - but dont let it detract from you having some rest time

E x

[nike]

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY

Is MIL having her overnight or just putting her to bed?  Whilst I recognise you need to be flexible with a sleep schedule, could you ask your MIL to keep to as close a time around 6.30 bedtime as she can?  If not, don't stress.  Have a great time out, btw

I think you're doing so well, Rachael.  Maya's stretching her nap out and going to bed early no dramas.  She's also doing a great overnight sleep.  Things are looking up!

do I still do 6.30 even if she sleeps more than 1.5?

YES YES YES!  Why don't you look at 6.30ish as being her regular bedtime now, just adjust accordingly for night wakings (if any - remember 2nd molars are looming )  Eg, my DS2 is going through what I think is a growth spurt or else his molars are annoying him too.  The other night he slept 6.45 til 8 a.m.  I put him down at 12.30 p.m. instead of the regular 12 p.m. and I had to wake him again at 3.15   I could have put him down later last night bc of all that sleep but I didn't, kept to regular routine and he was asleep by 7 (normally earlier but we were out).  He's woken at 6.15 this morning, about 45 mins earlier than usual, but that's obviously due to the loads of sleep he got yesterday.  So we're back on track now.

Do you think 6.30 is too early a bedtime or are you worried you'll be stuck with the early wake-ups?  My bet is that when she stretches that nap out a bit, is going down happily at bedtime regularly and is waking well rested, hopefully closer to 6/6.30 a.m. (I would give it a while yet ) that's when I'd start by pushing her day nap closer to midday and adjust bedtime closer to 7.  Don't even consider this just yet!!

WDYT?

[RACHPEM]

Hi, all had a lovely evening out and a wonderful lie in!! Mil had Maya overnight and she did not do too bad, she did not fall asleep until 7pm although she did have her in bed at 6.15 for a 6.30 bedtime and woke at 5am with 1 tiny nw for 5-10 mins.  I am worried I will be stuck with the early wake ups that is why I am so dubious of 6.30 bedtime.  But I will stick to it.
Have a good day.
Rachaelx

[RACHPEM]

Quick update.  Maya took her nap at 11.15 as she was sooo tired, slept 1hr 15 mins, and as we had a family gathering in the afternoon I could not get her into bed until 6.45 and she fell asleep at 7.10.  She did however sleep until 5.45!
Rachael x

[nike]

Hi Rachael.  So glad you had a lovely anniversary night with DH    It's our 7th wedding anniversary today, coincidentally, but unfort don't have any rellies nearby to babysit so we can go out   Anyway, both boys are in bed so we're going to kick back in a minute and crack open a bottle of champers to celebrate!

Maya's doing some great catch-up sleeping...touch wood   How do you feel? 

Maya took her nap at 11.15 as she was sooo tired

  This is fantastic bc it means you're really reading her tired cues.  12.30 p.m. (wake-up from nap) til bedtime is a LONG stretch but she did well to get to 5.45 the next morning.  You're nearing the magical 6 a.m. mark    I have a great feeling that you are really on track to erasing all the OT and moving her day later

Let us know how nap, bedtime, etc goes.

[RACHPEM]

Happy Anniversary, enjoy your champers!
I know we were so lucky with Maya's wake up this morning as I know it was a huge stretch but unfortunatley we could not help it really, my mom passed away a year ago today and we all got together to spend some time looking at old photos and reminising etc.  I can detect Maya's tired signs pretty well but are generally way before she is due to sleep! today we had to go to the supermarket and and 10am her eyes were rolling, managed to keep her awake with a biscuit and put her down at 11.30 so we shall see what today brings.
Enjoy again,
Rachael xxx

[yaya]

Jumping back in rach, I have been MIA....X

[RACHPEM]

Just heard her 1 hr 15 mins!!!

[yaya]

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