Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[lolsyb1982]

Ha you and me both Scottishmummy. Don't know if I'm coming or going at the minute. K's really struggling with SA and like you the routine is all over the shop!
Thinking of fully switching to set nap/bed and see where that gets us as we're already in an OT mess so can't be much worse!

"See" you soon I'm sure x

[ashkenras]

And just when things feel like they have hit rock-bottom, there is a light at the end of the tunnel!

DS has been sick, so we have been dealing with NW and EW the past few nights.  Then today, he decided he needed a nice long nap!  He's been down for 2hrs now, though some of that included a little extra encouragement from DH to go back to sleep after 30 min.  Thank heavens!  Can't think of anything different we've done, just continue to encourage him to sleep.  Looks like he finally took our encouragement.  We'll see about a catnap later on.  Hurray!

Happy Birthday to you, little boy!

[ashkenras]

DH and I are disagreeing about what DS needs for his naps.  I say schedule tweaking, he says better techniques to get DS back to sleep.  Thoughts?  Lately if I try to encourage more sleep, it involves sitting in the room and talking quietly for 30-40 min before calling it quits.  DH has been able to get him back to sleep, but not me.

Here's our (frustrating) schedule:
WU 6:30
A time 3.5 hrs (been lengthening gradually over the past week)
Nap 1 10:00-10:30
A time 4 hrs
Nap 2 2:30-3:00
A time 3.5-4 hrs
BT 6:30/7:00 (depending on how sleepy he gets)

What could I tweak?

[lolsyb1982]

So he's only having 2x 30 min naps?

Are you waking him at that point in am nap or is he waking by himself?

Have you tried shortening that 2nd A time? Could be 4hrs is too long and he's OT hence another 30min nap.
I think you need to keep pushing that 1st A as well and maybe the am nap will then lengthen?

[Layla]

I agree with Lolsyb, whenever my LO does 30min am nap, I put her down 3hrs later for afternoon nap.

Scottishmummy - many big hugs to you! I hope things settle down soon for you guys and you don't have to come back to the boards for this transition .

Our clocks changed on Sat and dd woke up at 4.30am on Sun morning (bless her!). I pushed her to 10am and offered her 1 nap and put her down for the night at 5pm. I figured her internal clock was going to be messed up anyways, so why not make that 1 nap day (where's the logic in that?!). Anyway, she woke Mon morning at 6am and this morning she woke at 5.45am and we'll see what tomorrow brings. She has been very very tired last couple of days (time change and it was her b'day on Sat and she hardly slept). I'll see how we go this week and will probably look at permanently shortening the am nap to 30mins.

[lolsyb1982]

K seems to have settled down since the weekend and the crazy NW have stopped. Fingers x

Seems like 30 min CN is now too much for her and woke pretty awake after a 9hr night Monday. Luckily I managed to resettle her an hour later and she had another 1.5hrs. Didn't fancy getting up at 4am!

Yesterday I went for 15min CN and she did 10.5hr night which is still too short IMO.
Just can't seem to get it any longer and haven't managed any 1 nap days for a while as the first nap has shortened as well. Managed to push her to 4.50 A time this morning and got a 2hr nap with an OT resettle at the hour mark. She then fell asleep in the car this afternoon for 30 mins so not sure how short her night will be?!

[ashkenras]

He wakes up at the 30 min mark like clockwork.  I used to wake him in hopes that I could extend the second nap, but then he would wake up before I got into his room.

I'll try extending the first A time and shortening the second A time.

Have any of you had success with getting them back to sleep during short naps?  I'd rather get him up than go through a crying session that taints our following A time, but DH isn't quite on board with that idea.

[lolsyb1982]

I can only get her back to sleep mid nap if I rock her and she's tired enough. Haven't had any luck without the rocking as she just gets worked up and then wakes herself up more!

[yujai]

My 12 month son has been waking up after 40 minutes (for some reason, it's always the morning nap, which he had once slept for 2.5 hours). 
We just started new strategy of putting him in crib and siting in the rocker (which is a bit far from the crib, to eliminate distraction) until he fell asleep.  We do minimal pu/pd, and occasionally if he cries doesn't seem to stop, I will shu-pat him to sleep. But this doesn't seems to work if he woke in the middle of his nap.  Most of the time he just get mad and wide awake.

What do you ladies do to smooth/extend the nap?

[Layla]

how long does he then sleep for his 2nd nap? Could you post his daytime routine? Mine does short morning nap and i am happy with that and don't want to push more A to get a longer nap because she then does longer afternoon nap.

[ashkenras]

I think I have figured out what my little B needs: DH needs to put him down for naps!    For the past few weeks, whenever DH does the wind-down and nap, he sleeps at least an hour.  Now all we need to do is have DH quit his job so B sleeps!  Oh well.  I'll keep working on it.

[ashkenras]

Question: Even though DS is sleeping 11hrs at night, could the constantly short naps be contributing to OT every day?  Maybe the full night of sleep isn't enough to really recover from continuous days of so little daytime sleep.  I'm thinking mainly in terms of his A times.  He seems to get fussy every morning about 2.5hrs after he wakes up, but putting him down any sooner than an hour later hasn't made much difference.  3.5hrs of A time seems to be when I have the best luck.

Just a thought..?

[Kellyjs]

Hi guys,

I have been receiving so much help from creations in regards to DD's EASY and thought we'd cracked it! For just over a week we finally had 1x 1.5hr nap and a 1x45mins nap. (She's always had 45-minute naps for as long as I can remember!)

However, for the last 3-4 days we're back to 2x45mins naps and creations thinks she's heading towards the 2.1 so I thought I might drop by and see if anyone here has an BTDT tips for me please?

DD is 9.5mo and has an A time of 4.15hr for the first A, 3.30hr for the second A (to get a UT nap and preserve BT) then 2.30hr before BT. She really does like that shirt A before bed we've discovered. I really just need to get that 1.5hr nap back in the am. Yesterday we had a EW of 5.40am and lasted until 10.30am before she was ready for a nap! That's nearly 5hrs... And still another bloody 45-minute nap!

Any ideas or tips would be gratefully appreciated! I think I've exhausted the good will of creations (bless her, she's been amazing!)

Thanks in advance xx

[hillybean]

Hi there!
I'm wondering if someone can help me tweak our schedule...

For the most part, we're doing really good.  DD will be a year old on the 6 th next month, so I know we're moving closer to the one nap.  The problem we're having now though, is waking early at around 5:50 in the morning for the past few days.

I guess my question is, could she be getting too much accumulated day time sleep?  Her first nap is anywhere between 2-2:30 and her second nap is about 45-1:30 depending on how long the first one was.  Then she does an A time of about 2-2:30 before bedtime.  I'm trying to keep her day no longer than 12 hours, and I'm paranoid about letting her A time before bed get too long and her getting OT

Should I be capping her 2nd nap, and if so how long?  Also, when I cap her second nap, what kind of A time should we have before bed?  I hate having to cap any naps because she's been waking so early, and it helps stretch out the day when she naps well, but I also don't want her waking so early.  It used to be that when she woke early,I could feed her and lay her right back down.  Not so much anymore, haha!

Any advice is much appreciated!  Thank you!

[Kellyjs]

Hi hillybean,

Afraid I haven't got any advice for you but I'm so jealous about the length of your naps! How on earth do you fit all that into a 12-hour day?!

My LO can easily do 2.5hrs on a 45-minute nap before BT if that helps at all?

Hopefully someone will be along soon to help us both.

Xx