Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[Kellyjs]

I know O likes a long A first thing, but this is the first time she's hit the 2hr nap mark (and counting) for a while now. She woke at 5.40am, up at 6.15am and was pd at 11.45! Asleep 5mins later. Zero sleepy cues except the grumpy half an hour at 10am. That's a mammoth 6hrs A!!!! Wth?! Blooming child,I can't ever figure this out!

Off out tomorrow so it'll be a two car nap day. Might try this A again on Saturday.

[babybarr]

How's it going now? I'm going to have to push my boys again as we're getting 2nd nap refusal. Hopefully we'll get a good enough night to try tomorrow.

[Kellyjs]

Yesterday was brilliant! After two crappy car naps the day before, she actually slept in until 6.20am for a change, nap at 12 for 2hrs 15mins then BT at 6.30, fell asleep within 10 mins which is unheard of at BT recently. Unfortunately, 5.30am wu here again. Thinking she's going through something either ww or developmentally. Still going to push on with the set nap and BT as 2 naps just doesn't work for us anymore.

Good luck with pushing those A's Laura. It's hard work!! Let us know how it goes xx

[BusterB]

 

I'm thinking as he's stating to get better he needs to go back to his previous A's soon then. How do you feel about starting to up that first A another 15 mins for a few days then hold and see how long he naps for? I'm thinking you'll need to increase again at some point, but a little at a time is probably best if he's still recovering. Wdyk? I would leave that first nap uncapped then try for a CN at the same A you did previously and shorten to 20mins. When we were doing this we had 4.5hr A first thing for 1.5hr nap, 3.5 for 20mins CN then 2.75hrs to BT. Mine always has liked a monster first A though! He might get a bit grumpy at the time he usually goes down, but push through and do some low-key stuff. Marcia walks hers around outside in a backpack... I've just started doing this but I'm holding her.. Good for the arm muscles/bingo wings I suppose 

Thanks for the pointers Kellyjs - this is exactly along the lines of what I figured he needed, so was good to have someone else suggest the same.

Last 2 days have been a bit mixed, 1st day following the above went like clockwork and he went to sleep ok at bedtime (bit lively for first half of feed but then settled) and did almost an 11 hour night  but yesterday, although it looked like it should have gone just as well as timings were spot on in day, resulted in a total A time >5hours before bed and then he woke after 40 mins and I eventually had to feed back to sleep again as he got himself so upset.

No idea if there was something else going on? His 1st tooth broke through a couple of days ago but it doesn't seem to be bothering him at all any other time. It was very hot here yesterday and his bedroom gets the sun almost all day into the evening, so it could just have been too warm for him.... but his bedtime feed was a display of pure acrobatics and distracted-ness... so I think it was just that he wasn't tired enough Total sleep over night was only 9 hours too... nowhere near enough!

So this morning he has been super tired, cranky and clingy and I couldn't keep him going more than 3hr50m.... he just crashed.

I think he'll sleep about 1hr30 and then i'm considering cutting the CN even further - to 15 mins?..... I just don't see how I'm going to get him tired enough for a reasonable bedtime otherwise? Last night was 9:30pm before he slept and then awake again at 10:10pm....

Or should I keep pushing the morning A and give the 20m CN a bit more of a chance?

Yesterday was brilliant! After two crappy car naps the day before, she actually slept in until 6.20am for a change, nap at 12 for 2hrs 15mins then BT at 6.30, fell asleep within 10 mins which is unheard of at BT recently....

Still going to push on with the set nap and BT as 2 naps just doesn't work for us anymore.

eeeek BT at 6:30pm is my worst nightmare in this house that is a guaranteed 4:30am start! How old is your baby and when did you start doing the set nap + BT routine? Did it work immediately?

[Kellyjs]

Sounds like the dreaded UT/OT loop Busterb! 5hrs to bed in too much in this house. Or it could be the teeth? They say it hurts more at night as there's no other distractions. The fact the feed was a bit hit and miss too makes me suspect teeth. 10.5hrs or less nt sleep normally signifies OT too... That's probably why he crashed early this morning. I'd keep the CN as is until the OT sorts itself out. I'm thinking he'll be able to do a reasonable BT tonight too considering he's tired. See how the night goes (11hrs again) then he might be up for a little increase in A, but I'm thinking he might want to keep as it is for a few days until he rights himself.

A combination of one nap and two nap days is the way to get through the transition apparently. The problem with us is the early WU's (not EW as over 10hrs), and then we struggle to keep to a 12hr ish day. I need her to wake around 6 really. So I thought I'd try the set nap thing to try and be a bit more consistent and hoped the WU's would go back to normal. Been doing it for around 2 weeks now, but a couple of days had to be two nap days as once we went out for a tesco shop at 9 and she fell asleep in the car (let her have 15mins) then the other day we were out for the day, so a 45mins car nap on the way there and a 30mins one on the way back (I woke).. That day she took over an hour to settle for bed! So technically when at home we've been doing set nap/BT. However, Today hasn't gone so well, I caved and let her have 15mins at 10.15am and have just put her down at 12.30. Dreading what will happen now.. She's so prone to 45mins naps, has to be super tired to get to even 1.5hrs!

They say it doesn't work immediately as many lo's don't like set naps, but it worked here a while ago when we were on two naps until the BT shenanigans started, then nap refusal, so I thought I'd give it a go again. And I love 6.30pm BT., especially when it used to give us 6am starts when we first started the transition! I'm thinking she's settling back into a 11hr night though now she's getting used to the one nap, so all I need is for the clocks to change an hour forward again 

[BusterB]

V quick one... He is still asleep @ 2hr10 

... should I wake him do you think??

This is our longest nap in months & months!

ETA: ok so he slept for 2hr30....so am I right in thinking that is going to make this his first 1 nap day with EBT? Eeeek! Or would you still try for a v short CN and normal BT?

That is a lot more sleep than I usually give him on a 2 nap day!

[Kellyjs]

Yay! Obviously caught up on sleep then!!

I would shoot for a one nap day provided the A to bed isn't too long. As you said, this is more sleep then he usually gets but he could be catching up on last night. See how he goes, if he's tired around the CN time, I'd do 15mins max, but be aware it'll mess with your BT I would think.

The total sleep here went up too initially. O was pulling 2-2.5hr long naps then 12 at night! She hadn't had that much sleep in ages. We're back to 2-2.25hr naps and 11hrs nt sleep now.

O is nearing the 2hr mark now... So glad that 15mins CN earlier didn't mess with her too much. Hopefully I can shoot for a later BT tonight and aim for a later wu?! Miracles have happened I suppose 

[gb18]

Hi! Hope everyone is getting on ok. Nice to see busterb on here. How was your 1 nap day? If it is any help short nights for us were also over tired. How r set naps going Kelly? How r the twins babybarr and how is your lo marcia?

D had been doing amazingly until now!!!! We have had fantastically late wu, near 8 on some days!! Managed 1 nap days a lot of days. Unfortunately we have been down south to visit family and I wonder whether we r now in an OT mess or whether the change in things are just things levelling out. Also in 2 occasions lo has been left at nursery for short visits which has now caused extra clingyness. I would love your opinions.

Basically on Friday we travelled down south and he only had one 45 nap. He was asleep by 6.45 and woke by 5.45. He had 2 naps that day ( short am, long pm) and asleep by 7. Woke around 6.30 but I thought he went off again till 7.30 so opted for 1 nap day. This may have been the issue!! We were out and he was so grumpy- cried and whinges and eventually fell asleep in buggy at 1.15 for just under hour and half. He woke up crying so I knew he was still really tired. Fell asleep by 6.45, nw twice and 7.30 wu.
Fell asleep in the car for 1hr 20, awake by 12.40 but refused pm nap. Again asleep by 6.45 and awake at 6.

Now I know that 6 is not early for some but we really need 7 to sort our day!! Lo is not 100% with less than 12 hrs now as think he got used to later wu. I just don't know whether to just do what u r doing Kelly and opt for set naps. He is in nursery today for lunch and nap so not sure whether to just power through till 12. ( he was managing 5 hours A pre this or over sometimes). Really worried as know they r unlikely to get him to sleep in nursery!!

Ideas desperately wanted!! Do I try for 15 min nap at about 9.30 this morning? Just not sure I will get it and I think that at least the more tired he is in nursery he may at least have a tiny sleep. Plus as he starts nursery properly on wed OT is inevitable I guess so do I just power on through with one nap and hope the OT just sorts itself out??

HELP PLEASE!!!!

[Kellyjs]

Sorry for the late reply, only just seen this!

What did you do in the end? I probably would've powered through unless he was tired at 9.30?? Afraid I haven't got any BTDT with nursery, but I suppose I'd try and keep things as consistent as possible. As you said, OT is inevitable with a change in routine especially trying to sleep in a new place.

If the nursery issue wasn't there, I think I'd have tried to let him catch up on as much sleep as possible. I'm just not convinced these short 15mins naps do anything as they give us a 14hr day, whereas we get more total sleep in 24hrs with one nap. But I suppose if they're seriously OT they need the shorter A's perhaps, then might crash AND give you a 12hr night?

By the way, those 8am WU's are amazing! Don't think we've ever had that here. Bear in mind you're not getting EW as that's still a good nt sleep so he might not be as OT as you thought??? Xx

[Kellyjs]

Also, if it helps I think O is going through a ww a little early as she's incredibly clingy too. I know our lo's are the same age but was yours an early or late arrival? I believe the ww go on due date rather than actual age. Had a total SA type wu last night and she only does that if she's working on something (I think walking) and if she's in a ww xx

[babybarr]

I think if you're keen to get to one nap then you have to power through (she says having given her boys two naps today!!)

My boys will be better on one nap I'm sure but during the week DH isn't home early enough to do a reasonable bt.  Stuck!

[MarciaMSPT]

guess i've missed a lot... been busy getting ready for entire family on both sides in this week for my LO's baby dedication and first birthday.

can't give my two cents for every one but my LO is going down now between 12 and 12:10.  Depending on the nap length, I also do a 10 min CN in the car.  I'm too scary cat to test whether he will refuse a second CN... plus i've always HATED waking him up... at least in the car, he wakes when we pull in the driveway (so I feel better about the CAR waking him up and not ME   We do this around 4:30 or 5:00... we live on a gravel road and I head out to the furthest point and then depending on when he falls asleep mosey on back or pick up the speed a bit.  Iv'e got it down to a system.  Doesnt' give me much down time or think time but sure makes the rest of the day go smoothly and he goes down mostly at 8pm and sleep till 7am. 

Hope that helps someone!  on errand days, I leave about 10:30 and get a 30 min nap and then am sure to leave errands by 3 to 3:30 and usually get an hour car nap and that suits him well.

I think my LO is also just started his next WW.  Was very clingy the last two weeks... hedging off a bit but he's also budding into a fun little guy who is generally happy!

I did break down and start giving him a snack before his first nap...just too long to wait till after nap for lunch... works well.  Thanks for who ever has suggested snacks a long the way!

[Kellyjs]

How exciting Marcia! What's a baby dedication if I may ask?? When's his first bday?

Sounds like it's working well for you, I'm so pleased. At least he'll go to sleep for  that CN! I would do the exact same thing too with the car  . Mine just doesn't fall asleep,in the car unless she's had at least 4hrs A 

Snacks are great! I've just posted on the solid foods board to check I'm feeding O enough. She was an absolute nightmare earlier and having tried everything else, fed her tea early (oops sorry, dinner!) and she's happy as can be again. Hmmmm xx

[BusterB]

Hi all... finally had a chance to catch up with the thread! Thanks for the welcome gb18.... & Kellyjs thank you for your advice re the mix of 1 nap & 2 nap days... I can see that's exactly what we'll have to do! 

Had a good couple of days here - managed CNs both days, followed by decent A before bed & it has certainly made BT a bit easier! Long day today though as he was up at 6:45am and didn't go down until almost 8:30pm tonight, but he went to sleep so easily compared to recently, the timings obviously suited him. Will see how his night goes!

Can I ask how old your babies are? Just want to get an idea what point you are all at!

Marcia - I do that CN in the car thing! Best way to get a short sleep out of my little one 

[Kellyjs]

Hiya Busterb, I have a ticker on the bottom of my posts that says how old O is. Otherwise I'd never remember! So does Laura (babybarr). Gb18's LO was born on the exact same day as mine and marcia's is coming up to 1yr.

Hope that helps! How old is your LO? You may have said before, but mummy brain is still very much in situ here!! 

Great news about everything working though. They do say the days become stupidly long during the transition on 2 naps. I was just getting fed up of it hence pushing through with a set nap/BT.

So yesterday was interesting for us. O only managed a 1.75hr nap and I put her to bed15mins early at 6.15pm. Fell asleep at 6.30 and gave me a 12-hr night! Think she may have slept longer if DH hadn't got up to go to work  . Very strange. I have a feeling once we fully transition, that nap will have to be capped later in to preserve nt sleep, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it!

How did your LO get on at nursery gb18?? Xx