Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[Green007]

Deb. BT is 5:45-6 when second nap is refused. But now it's a fight to get her to sleep...takes about 45mins + of crying/calming her and sometimes vomiting. She also does this new awesome thing where she stands up in her crib and yells "mama" nonstop. Ugh.

[Kellyjs]

Oh yes, that routine was similar to ours not so long ago. It's kind of no mans land isn't it?! Nap just slightly bit too early to carry her through to a reasonable BT. Mine does prefer a shorter A to bed I think, what does yours prefer?

I've extended O's awake time recently so her nap time is between 12.15-12.30. It does vary in length generally but today she did pull 2.5hrs. How do you feel about gradually moving that nap on a bit over the next couple of weeks? Do you think she can handle it?

Do you get her out of bed at 5.30 when she wakes or is she happy to play around in there for a bit? I actually  count the A from when I get her up not from when she wakes up. It's more of a set nap plan I think.

Problem is, 11hrs nt sleep is quite reasonable. I've had this. I put her down at 6-6.30 and she wakes at 5.30 and it's difficult to get out of.

Today I would have tried a CN if the 1st nap was so early.. Obviously that also depends when she woke up from that nap. Anything before 12, I'd have tried for a CN at 4 to get to a good BT, (7.30ish) hope for at least 11hrs sleep, then shoot for a later nap (11.45?) tomorrow. What do you think?

[Green007]

Kelly....yep...I'm pushing her A time as we speak...doing 10 mins every 4-5 days...hoping to move her closer to 1:00 in the next 1-2 months. We've been stalled around the 5h mark for awhile tho...then she actually went back a bit to 4.75.

[Kellyjs]

You might not need to go as far as 1pm so you might not be that far off. For example O's easy for today was:

Wu 5.50
Up 6.25
Bottle 7
Breakfast 8.30
Snack 10.15
Lunch 11.50
Nap 12.20-2.50
Snack 3
Tea 4.45
And will be.. Bath 6.30
BT 7.

Only doing a slightly longer day as she had such a great nap. I know she won't sleep 12hrs tonight so there's no point putting her down earlier and I know she can do 4hrs A to bed well. Otherwise I try and keep to a 12.5hr day max with a 2hr nap, 12hrs with a 1.5hr nap... Hth xx

[Green007]

That's a really nice day tho. I wish I could push her a little more. She couldn't make the 5A this morning. 15 mins short. I woke her after 1h30 mins at 11:50...will try for a nap around 3:00. See if I get anywhere.

[Green007]

Have any if you experienced the standing up in the crib when put in for nap or bedtime??? What do I do about this??

[debo620]

I don't think there is much you can do... Maybe a bit of walk in walk out... Until she goes back down and settles..

We had a tough night with a night waking and then a bit of a later start but unfortunately her nap was only 12:15-1:30 and I left her in her room resting until 2...
I did try for catnap and to AP even a 10 min sleep but that was a no go so bed at 7:30...

We are creeping into OT though because she has already had two wakeups in the last two hours since bed...
Will see what the night and morning brings and I may try for an earlier and possibly shorter morning nap and hopefully longer mid afternoon nap.

[Kellyjs]

For us green007, that's UT. I agree with deb and do some wi/wo and try and increase the A times the next day. If you woke her at 11.50, I would've tried for a 30 mins CN at 4. At 3 she would've been too UT me thinks.

Sounds like a plan deb, sorry your night was tough.

We'll have to see how we go today. I'm hoping I won't have to do 2 naps. We had a stupidly early wu of 5am and not sure if she went back to sleep. I think I may have pushed her day too long yesterday, probably should've had her in bed for 6.30-45, oh well, we live and learn.

[gb18]

Hi everyone. We often have the standing up! When it first happened I just went in, laid my lo back down, said its times to sleep and walked out. Often crowd a little but soon settled and now he does it a lot less. Standing for us is either UT or if he is up/ down and walking lots can be OT as he tends to get a bit manic!!

No nw for us last 2 nights but only 1hr 40 nap at home yest and now a 6 wu on nursery day!!!! Aargh!! Worried it is just going to be a repeat of last week with OT building. 1.5 hr is the longest nap in nursery but 40 mins not unheard of. This was not ut as he had had a very early wu so it is just because he is out of routine. Shall I just let them push on with 12 pm set nap?

Any ideas re getting back my wonderful 12 hr nights??

[BusterB]

We had lots of standing up a few weeks ago, which I took to be UT & BT refusal after months of feeding to sleep and that's why I switched from long afternoon nap to long morning nap.... and that's evidently how we ended up on here in an OT mess, as since switching it back 2 days ago, things feel like they have improved a bit!

Afternoon nap yesterday was almost 2 hrs, I gently disturbed him at 4pm but think he would have slept longer.... was thinking BT would be tough but he was only hyper for the first half of feed & then chilled right out & went to sleep.

NWs after 1hr20 again - can't seem to shift this, guessing some OT still? and again at 5:15am but fed back to sleep both times. W/u was a wonderful 7:30am... so total sleep over 11 hours, I can't believe it!

I can't imagine having to follow a decent nap routine with him at nursery gb18 - must be very disruptive! Hope today works out ok after that early w/u.

[debo620]

We had another rough night with an hour long night waking and then awake 7:30/7:45.... I was hoping she would fall asleep on the way home from errands but she didn't so went down at 11:35, now I'm not sure if I should limit this one to 40min or what?

[kbecks]

Hi ladies,

Just jumping in for some thoughts and advice. My DD is 11.5 months and has had some shifting around of her schedule over the last few weeks. She was on a 1.5hr morning nap and a 30 min pm nap (on a good day) with sttn.

I went back to work a couple of months ago and she never had this schedule in nursery. She sort of settled into 20 min around 9 am then a pm nap that was varied but on average around 1.20hrs in the early pm.

After a month or so I decided to try and match this as I thought it may help with the 2-1. I had some success and even got my mil to do it when she was on grandparent days. Great I thought but then she totally dropped the first nap in nursery and started a long pm nap from about 12!!

I thought it may just be a fluke but it isn't as she's doing it this week as well.

The problem is that it's messing up the days she's with me and she'sreally cranky and I just can't push her am A time like she can in nursery.

Any advice what I should do? I'd love to just have 1 nap as it's been a battle the whole time and she is a serial EW. 
 
Thanks in advance, Kate

[gb18]

Hi Kate. I guess there are two options really. To extend her morning awake time at home u could take her our for a walk or something to distract her if u really feel she is ready. Or u could just have 2 nap days a bit longer with u. Most of our lo's switch between 2  and one nap days during transition.

My ds is in nursery and only ever has 1 nap but this weekend and Monday had 2 naps as so tired.

It's a pain I know as u just want the transition to be over quickly!!! Is your lo good with OT? Guess u could cold turkey to 1 nap more easily if that is the case. Hth x

[Green007]

Deb...it's the worst when they are all over the map!!! My daughter is completely refusing a pm nap...and I mean completely...almost 2 weeks now...doesn't matter what time I try! The big problem is I tried to push her am A time but then she only slept for 45 mins...so she ends up waking up around noon and then going to bed for the night around 6:00. Eventhough I try to put her down at 3 and then again at 4. I'm just waiting for the NW's to happen! The only reason I'm big getting sooooo bent out of shape is because we are ting west coast to east coast on Sat. Leaving here at 9:50AM and getting in at 11:30PM (3 hour time difference) do I'm figuring everything would get messed up then anyways!!! My son was so easy...he ate when u fed him and slept when I put him to bed...my daughter...is...karma lol

[Green007]

Whoa, there were a lot if typos in that last post...we are flying west coast to east coast is what that was supposed to say!