Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[gb18]

Hi everyone. I agree with Kelly. Busterb, that 1st wu sounds like OT. My lo does exactly the same ATM. 5 nw last night!!! Aargh!! Had a short am nap today so hoping for good pm and really hoping we will be back on track a bit.

Great news about 6.20 wu Kelly. Maybe u r properly thro transition now do u think?

[BusterB]

Ahhh of course - duh!  no NWs are fun, but those ones are particularly tough! At least a hunger one can be easily sorted.

I have been taking my little one upstairs much earlier and doing a nice long wind down the last couple of nights, with the hope of getting him down earlier... I have fed him one side earlier in the hope he'll show sleepy signs, but not much success in less than 4 hours so far... I think he is just chronically OT.

Am annoyed he fell asleep in the car at 3hr A just now and woke at 40m... so I once again have the CN dilemma as I'm not sure how long he'll last on 2x 40m naps today  would be looking at 5:45 BT - which I just can't do in a million years 

Hope everyone else's days are faring better!

[babybarr]

Buster how old is your LO? I wonder if you should try sticking to one set nap - yes you'll have to ride out some OT but otherwise you'll end up in this long day short night cycle for a while.

My boys second one nap day in a row...they napped for 1hr 50mins

[BusterB]

He is 10m + 1 week babybarr... I'm just not sure he's ready. How old are your boys?

I did try for a 1 nap day last week as due to a long NW we ended up sleeping in until 8:15am, so I pushed him until almost 1pm..... But we got a 40m nap and then I was left in a bit of a predicament re: CN & BT.

We are also bang in middle of a wonder week, so I'm tempted let that pass too.

Be interested to hear the age that people went to the first 1 nap day though....

[Sarah - Enfys' Mum]

Laura I'm tempted to just go cold turkey to one nap too. She can easily do a one nap day if she wu at 6:30 or later but most days she's awake before 6. I think I'm going to just have to decide and go for it.

[Kellyjs]

You know what Busterb, I really think Laura has a point. Considering your LO can do stupid hours on just a little CN, if I were in your position I think I'd just go for it?? Your days are just sooo long, I don't think I'd
Handle that very well, but up to you obviously!!

That's amazing news Laura, what great naps! How are you managing BT? Is DH around to help put them down early enough?

Let us know what you decide Sarah, we still have had earlier than ideal WU's but we've just pushed through.

And gb18, I don't want to jinx it so I'm not saying anything  . We had a 1.75hr nap, then she woke and bah, bah, bahed for 10 mins. I was in the middle of doing something so I thought I'd leave her until she got cranky or until the 2-hr mark, and she fell back to sleep! Going to keep doing that I think provided she isn't unhappy. I had to wake her at 3 (don't know if I did the right thing there), in order for BT not to get too late and the day too long. Would you guys have woken her in my position? I think she had a total of 2.5hrs with a 10mims wu in the middle. BT was at 6.50 (wanted to keep to 12.5hr day max) and I think she's gone off to sleep. Hmmmm bet this won't work tomorrow 

[debo620]

We've been sort of muddling our way through on one nap most days because LO is refusing the second nap..
I have been shooting for a 4hr 15min first A time but also aiming for a 12ish nap and getting anywhere from 1hr 20-2hr naps, and then early bedtime at 7:30

last night was:
asleep 7:30
woke at 4:00 and I still BF then
wake 7:30-out of bed at 8
BF 8, breakfast 8:30
BF 11:20
lunch 11:30
down for nap at 11:50 but she played and cried a few times and I had to go in and check on her and she finally settled at 12:20, which I think is going to be too late and result in OT...

so my dilemma is that I think I missed her window by feeding her lunch and giving her an extra 5 minutes of A time, its like she got  a second wind..
will see hot the day goes.

[babybarr]

My boys are 9mths today. They're low sleep needs and bad nappers. But they need long a times to get good naps. I'm just going to try and push through with one nap unless they get super cranky. Ultimately I want them to have longer nights rather than days and hopefully this should help. I'll let them have an apop 2nd nap if they don't sleep well.  Bt is just when we can get them down. What I've learnt though is that I think babies are less susceptible to ot than we think. Just my opinion though!

[BusterB]

Deb our babies were born a day apart last August!  it doesn't seem like many babies this age are going through this transition yet but maybe more are than I realise! Hope the rest of your day goes ok!

Re: dropping to 1 nap, I am starting to think that me thinking my baby was needing these big A times was just him getting OT and having second winds... hence him ending up in the OT state he is now and I'm worried pushing him might make things even worse - not to mention he is so OT I just haven't been able to get the A times out of him today - he crashed out! I'm not getting any kind of nap refusals or anything either, so not sure he's ready.

Tonight I started feeding him 'early' and we took a really long time over it and he eventually fell asleep without too much of a fight, relatively early for him too. He woke crying after 1hr20 though and I had to feed him back to sleep. I used to be able to rock/cuddle him - but now only boob will do! Is quite frustrating as means husband can't really help either!

This could all mean a v early wu if he does another <10hr night... but here's hoping he tacks on!!

[BusterB]

My boys are 9mths today. They're low sleep needs and bad nappers. But they need long a times to get good naps. I'm just going to try and push through with one nap unless they get super cranky. Ultimately I want them to have longer nights rather than days and hopefully this should help. I'll let them have an apop 2nd nap if they don't sleep well.  Bt is just when we can get them down. What I've learnt though is that I think babies are less susceptible to ot than we think. Just my opinion though!

Wow babybarr - only 9 months!  I know that my son is definitely more susceptible to UT than OT as a rule... I spent months presuming the opposite and ended up with a screaming UT baby every night, was horrible!

I do need to be brave and go for the 1 nap, I just want to try and catch him up a bit first so we can manage a decent A time to get there!

Would OT cause a 40m nap wake up?

[MarciaMSPT]

I'm back... haven't the time to read through the thread since I've been gone.  Baby dedication and birthday went well...but my LO picked the wrong day to NOT want to go to anyone... I'm sure it's  wonder week... it's AWFUL!!!!  Screams and wants to be with mommy ALL. THE. TIME.

NW and such... just awful... finally got him back up this morning at 7 despite a rough night...but I had to get him back on track.  Went down at 12 and slept 2.5 hours  (did a 3 hour nap yesterday but that turned on me come bed time at 9 - an hour later than normal!)  So, daddy is home now and I'm typing this listening to my little guy scream.  Trouble is that he's not even happy once I pick him up!

Teething?  Wonderweek?  Growth spurt?  who knows!  I think everything all at once!  Supposed to out and about tomorrow and am not looking forward to it if tonight is full of NW...

Doing a full lunch at 11:30 instead of the half and half... just doesn't work.  Having an awful time getting any veggies down him!  I'll have to jump over to that thread in a bit!  Arghh... just the time I think I could do this again... and wham...

Sorry for complaining but I've been crying most of the day... exhausted and just need a break but feel guilty for that too!

Read a few snippets about people going cold turkey to one nap... I would stay flexible.  I know if my LO wakes before 2pm, we will likely need a 10 min car ride nap... other than that, I'm pushing him to his 8pm bedtime and other than getting back on track from 14 people in our home for 4 days, it's working pretty well... 

Hugs to everyone and thanks for listening!

[Green007]

My daughter just turned 12 months. Wakes around 6...stays up for about 5 hours then has a nap...sleeps 1.5-2 hours...but absolutely refuses her late afternoon nap. Bedtime is now an utter disaster where it used to be seamless. I don't know what to do. One nap isn't enough but she refuses the second one

[debo620]

our day turned out ok, asleep 12:20 and then I heard her at 1:25 but she  went back to sleep until 2:10 so not bad, bed at 7:30

Green007, what time is bedtime when she is refusing second nap?

[Kellyjs]

Oh Marcia, I'm so sorry you're feeling down. Poor you, sending all the ((hugs)) I can.

Is it just veggies he's not eating or other stuff too? I do know when O is teething, she'll only eat her favourites.

Have you had lots of people to the house like that before? O went through a stage of getting vv unsettled as soon as someone new walked through the door. I think it was a little stranger anxiety, but it didn't happen when we were out, so maybe it was because people were invading her space iykwim? It's very unsettling for lo's when they're used to just being with mummy or daddy, then all these others show up! It's very stimulating for them.

Those NW do sound like teething hun? Have you medicated? Naps seem ok though.

Personally I would try and get everything back to normal and hope things settle down. He'll get back on track hun, it's just a blip.

Deb - that sounds great, well done!

Nice to see you back green007, do you want to post your current easy so we can all take a look? I wouldn't take a CN if she's slept two hrs, perhaps it by BT? Anyhoo, I'm guessing but would great to see what you're up to.

Busterb - 40mins nap wu is always UT here, unless teething is bothering her, even then with a decent A she'll do at least an hr. Actually, forgot you had car naps... O will never sleep longer than 40mins in the car even after a full A.

We had a 5.50 wu this morning  . Will just power on through as she's full of beans this morning so has obviously had enough sleep (I think?!).

[Green007]

Hey. Yes I've been trying to read/catch up on all the posts and gather as much info as possible.

Yesterday looked like this...

6:30 awake
Breakfast 7:30
Bottle 9:30 (trying to get rid of this and replace with cup of milk and snack)
Nap 11:25-1:30 (sometimes she only does 1.5 hours at this nap)
1:45/2:00 lunch
5:00 dinner (which usually is a snack more so than a meal)
Bottle and bed at 6:00. She fussed for quite away and was asleep by 6:30.

She woke today at 5:30. So her nap will be at 10:30. So she'll probably need a CN this evening...however she will more than likely refuse it.

So I am trying to get rid of these bottles but she won't drink much milk from her sippy. But maybe if I just get rid if the bottles...she will.

So I'm not sure...like today if she sleeps 10:30-12:30...do I attempt to CN her at some point or do I just do a 6pm BT? I can't do earlier than that.