Support for dropping the nap part 11

[*Becky*]

wake up for both was around 7.30am so 6.30am old time which I can't complain about - mine rarely sleep later with a later BT. Just aiming for normal ish BT's tonight I think??

[jessmum46]

We managed 7.30pm BT (old time) and 5.30am WU (new time), so 11h, but may have dozed a bit more and stayed in bed until clock turned green at 6.30am.  We'll go back to normal BT tonight of 6.30pm

[trimbler]

Well we had 6am yesterday then went back into room watching the clock (apparently no more sleep!) until 7ish, then nap refusal and once I had got DD down around 8pm I went into his room to finish off his BT to find him asleep in his dressing gown on top of his duvet with the light on! Set his gro clock for 6.45 new time but he was in our room (waking DD) at 6am sent back to bed until the sun came up, but I guess it's a step in the right direction!

[Haribo2012]

All sounds quite good for you, glad your nights all went fairly well. My DS has been the happiest thing all morning (poss verging on manic lol) no nap refusal at 12.30 so letting him have 1.5hrs I think then normal BT tonight hopefully.
To top it off he's decided he wants sides off the cot and were starting potty trains next week lol could be fun all round x

[LovelyLilyandJack]

We purposely tired J out the last 2 days with the plan that we'd then be able to resettle him when he woke at 4.30am... Which luckily worked. He woke for the day at 6.15 new time.  He won't resettle unless he's very tired / OT, so mega catch up nap today of 2hrs. I can't remember the last time he slept that long!  Normally this would spell an EW tomorrow but I'm hoping he's still in catch up mode and we'll get a 10.5hr night at least. Normal bedtime of 7.30 tonight for us as well I think.

[Nickie18]

Omg! 1-0 nap hell tonight. Dis did not nap and cried from 5 until 7 pm at EBT. Geez makes me realize how much he still needs that nap. Our time change is this next weekend... Maybe it will be helpful???

[jessmum46]

Nickie if you have a day like that where DS is clearly tired at 5pm it's honestly worth trying just getting him down for the night then.  EBT will only really work in terms of tacking on if you get him down before he's overtired.  Can be scary I know if you've never gone that early but it can be a lifesaver.  Just a thought to consider . Sorry for the rough day though xx

[*Becky*]

I have never done a v early BT but like Katherine says if he is 'that' tired it is worth a try.

We are having a hard time here. Both kids have been waking earlier since the clock change which is normal for us, it usually takes a while for them to 're-set' but Martha is SUCH hard work atm. She is generally only napping once or twice a week now and we allow 1-1.5 hours. The other days BT is set for 6.30pm.

I 'think' she is getting about 12 hours night sleep which really does not seem too bad but oh my her mood and behaviour is shocking. It's hard to tell if it is 1-0 or just developmental or what? Today is tired for def as she ended up having a late CN in the car yday on the way back from London and fell asleep about 7.15pm but was awake at around 6.15am which is def not enough sleep after a small nap. She has pretty much cried and shouted all am so PD for a nap. I do wonder how we will ever get out the other end of the 1-0. Some days I think she really needs a nap still, other days I feel we should just totally get rid of it but I just do not think she will cope. Added to that we can't do SEBT's here really so 6.30pm is about the earliest I can do.

Yawn.

[trimbler]

Hugs Becky that sounds very trying

We've just changed our approach from offering a nap every day (and then guessing whether he actually took it or not - not always truthful!) to making NNDs standard. We insisted on one on Monday after the time change, then told him he could only go to the museum to see the dinosaurs if he stayed in his room until the sun on his gro clock got up at 7am. So, at precisely 7am, we heard him "YES I can go to the dinosaur museum!" Then with 7-7 NNDs on tue - thu he was really tired but no longer waking early. Would have offered a nap on Fri but prior commitments, he was soo tired though. On that basis I'm thinking he can manage 3 NNDs before needing a nap, we'll try and insist on one today and aim for one nap at the weekend and one on a Wednesday... Think we'll stick to a 2-3pm window for naps with 8pm BT. Will keep you posted... Feeling like this is 'stage 2' of the 1-0, ie napping every 1 in x days, with x getting gradually bigger - how long did this stage last, for those of you whose LOs are done with naps now? For each transition I've wanted to be rid of the nap so badly but hung onto it for as long as possible, knowing that was best for him, but it really would be nice to be nap free soon!

[TB9]

Becky - 3.5yo developmental stuff was really bad in this house, do younthink M could be going through that?

DD2 hasn't napped since tuesday...and her days are getting longer because she is better rested.  12.5hr days are exhausting with a spirited no napping 19mo!

[*Becky*]

oh such a relief to hear you say that Tink. I think in part it must be, she has been TRULY awful behaviour wise recently. I should post about it but not  sure where to start iykwim.

[rachsk8]

Trimbler - "stage 2" lasted a few months for us, but the 1-0 was a loooong slow process here, starting practically a year to get to the stage DS can handle NND's now and sleeps 11 - 12hrs at night.  Felt like it was never going to end!  He still needs the odd catch-up nap if he has had a really busy week or a particularly bad night, but I hear you on wanting it just to be done already!!!

And yes - its SO hard to know if behavior and mood is 'normal' developmental stuff, or OT stuff.  I think I jump into putting it all down to sleep related issues, but I think in reality a  lot of it is actually nothing to do with tiredness, just part of being 3.  (DS just turned 3 and someone has flipped the "crazy" switch on here too.... oh my goodness....)

[LovelyLilyandJack]

Has anyone here gone through the 1-0 with everything coming out as EWs rather than BT refusal?  We're getting some nap refusal but I can usually get J to nap after a while, but we're getting lots of EWs. It was the same with the 2-1. He'd nap but then EW if it was too late in the day etc. We had some success with capping at 30 minutes,  but then the clocks changed and we went back to EWs for a bit. Got over them again by letting him nap a bit longer (could see he was OT from the long days), but now WU is creeping earlier again.  I suspect I need to throw in a few NNDs and see how he copes, but with my daughter it was all driven by her refusing naps, so I just followed her lead.  With J I think I'm going to have to manage it more and just go by cues.

Not doing anything drastic right now cos we're away and he's also cutting his last molars, so that know the EWs could be related to that too. But I'm scheming for when that passes.... .I think I've got to try and offer his nap slightly earlier (say, 1pm) and if he fights it for more than 10 minutes,  get him up and do quiet time instead. With the 2-1 I got to the point where if he wouldn't easily nap after 3hrs 30 A, I had to take that as a sign that he needed more A that day and not persevere with the nap cos if I did it made things worse. I think it's going to be the same here.

Anyone else gone / going through the 1-0 with an EWing LO? Any tips?  Also, anyone capped at less than 30 minutes on a daily basis?  I'm thinking about trying that once his teeth are through too.

[Straffles]

Just to say hi as we are on this journey now too. Benji is 2 years 9 months old.

We are just now down to a 1hr capped nap. It's difficult to read any cues from Benji as rarely do we have a consistent eg. later BT or EW. We always have NWs and so it's difficult to read him from that too. However, I had 3 days in a row where either he had a short night (9hours and 10 hours ) and/or a later BT (7.50). His BTs had been randomly later than normal 7.30 BT for a few weeks too.

I have SO many questions about this transition! I've been reading this thread on and off for tips and clues and so thought I'd chip in now so I can get to know everyone and get/give some support too.

So, hello and thanks in advance

[rachsk8]

Has anyone here gone through the 1-0 with everything coming out as EWs rather than BT refusal?

Yes - BT's were rarely fought for long, if at all here.... if he had a nap it generally meant he'd chat for longer before going to sleep, but not for hours, more like 30 mins.  Made it hard to know if it was UT or OT or what was going on.  Still does really!

What do you make of our pattern lately of short night/long night?  I've probably jinxed it now but we seem to get a later WU every second day, which means if we keep the set BT the following day is shorter, and makes it a shorter night.  Lately we have had 13hr ONS (this is huge for my LO), then 10.5hr ONS, then 13hr ONS, then 11hr ONS....