Support for dropping the nap part 11

[haribo89]

Hi all, I was just wondering how your getting on? How far are you all into the 1-0 and have you got any routine going?
We thought we were done with naps for good, any nap length at 2-2.30pm made bedtime 10pm, until we tried giving a 30min nap earlier in the day, around 1pm and pd 12-12.5hr after wake up, which is usually 7. That mixed in with NND days when she refuses naps seems to be working at the moment. I thought it was worth mentioning as a lot of people push naps later but it seems my LO needs a longer A before bed than some LOs but isn't quite ready for NNDs all the time yet. I wish I had thought of it sooner!

[trimbler]

That's interesting haribo89, I couldn't have done that with DS as he needed his nap pushed later in order to actually get to sleep! I've lost track of how many NNDs we've had now, he opposes them so vehemently now that I really just can't be bothered to argue with him, even if he woke early and is lying on the floor around his old nap time, I'm feeding DD and he's telling me he doesn't want to nap etc... Then again, we haven't had so many mornings where we've had to wake him recently. We had been doing 7-7 on NNDs as that had worked best for the occasional one when he was mostly napping. Then we tried 6.30-6.45pm BT but had a few more NWs and EWs, so still trying to settle on the optimum routine but think we've pretty much said goodbye to naps now, almost CT! Thinking now if we get WU before 7am then we'll do BT 6.30-6.45, if WU is 7am then BT will be 7pm, we can let him sleep in a little at the weekend if he needs...

[Aishi]

Yea we're done with naps. Have been for ages.  She wont go for an early nap either and late nap would just mean late bt. I was doing 11-11.25 days for few months but as she got better at handling ot (and I got tired of 5pm bts! ) I started doing set bt 6.30 about two weeks ago (- 30 mins if she needed it) and wu has ranged from 6.30-8!. I would still do 6.30 bt with later wu cos I figure she needed the cu. Hth!

[haribo89]

I take back all I said, the last two nights we have had 9-10hrs nights on a 1/2 hour nap and is extremely grumpy and won't eat. She wouldn't go to sleep until 9-10pm again :-( really do not no what to do with her anymore and me and my OH can not agree on the best way forward, he thinks we should go cold turkey because any nap means less over all sleep but I just want to offer her a long nap because she's in such a state. Help ?....

[Aishi]

H89 is your lo hsn? Does he tack on to night sleep?

when I was having bt troubles on 20/30 min cn I went ct (it was only few weeks into 1-0) so that was from a 2h nap to capped naps (she hated capping) and just ct dropped nap. I did 10.5h days but dd is hsn and tacks on well. Having said that my ds (4.5 yo) is lsn and an ew and when he dropped nap he tacked  on for a while too so maybe worth a try for a week or so?

[trimbler]

Sounds to me like she needs the longer nights to feel well rested? Maybe it's a case of tweaking the night length to get it 'right' and doing EBT if she's really tired? That's where we are, anyway! Sorry can't remember if you need to wake at a certain time in the morning? Seems most of us are either waking at set time and tweaking BT, or having set BT and letting them sleep in if needed? Hugs!

[haribo89]

I was afried cold turkey might be the only way, I'd hoped she would of lasted until 2.5 though, I think it's that or longer naps and except shorter nights to bump up over all sleep?
She's LSN I think, we done to 2-1 early and had to cold turkey that early in, I don't think we have ever really figured her out or been in a routine long.
The earliest we have been brave enough to do is a 6.30 bt on a NND and she did tack on, I think she is more likely to tack on and wake at her normal time than lay in past 7.30.

[trimbler]

So you haven't tried days shorter than 11h? I guess you might find that 11h works to start with but might not be sustainable if you're really doing ct? Idk, I hadn't realised how young your dd is, how old is she? How many NNDs have you done in a row and how long were they, how did she handle it? Sorry I'm sure you've been through that already in detail! I can't help thinking we probably have it much easier than most of you, dropping the nap at such a late age, although of course in some ways it would have been useful if he hadn't kept it so long, but I was glad of it during pregnancy!

[Aishi]

Well things have been a bit off here since setting bt at 6.30...nws and ew....I thought it was a dev leap cos her birthday coming up I  jan but then realised that the chatty nws coincided with implementing set bt doh. Her mood was just awful these last two days...tantrums and meltdowns over everything . So I did sebt yesterday for 5.30. I heard her at 2.30 and 5.45. Fxd she catches up and I can  go back to the set bt.

Is a one off ebt going to throw set bt off track?

[rachsk8]

Rachsk8, I think a 12.75 hour day is fine. Most of our days are 13 hour days and sometimes 13.5. We do set bedtime at 8 pm and he wakes between 6:30/7. We tried the certain number hour days before and a set bedtime seems to regulate his sleep patterns more. My other friend has a 3.5 year old and she just dropped her nap. Her BT is also the same and she sleeps the same amount as my son. At 3-3.5 it's not unheard of that they just need only 11 hours total.

My DH also said I needed to go with the flow a bit more and since we just kept BT the same no matter what the wake up time was, we have hardly any issues with EWU or anything else. Even the day that DST happened, my son was up for nearly 14 hours because I had to stretch him to the new 8 pm, he adjusted the next morning.
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Thanks PP. Yeah, I have quite a bit of trouble reading the signs and working out whether it is OT or just normal 3yr old stuff... ie: some days he is on a mission to destrcut everything in sight, throw toys etc, won't eat, so I quickly "assume" he's OT if he's had an 11-11.25hr night or two, but maybe hes not.  I guess there's differing degrees of OT too, like shades of grey, not just black and white.  I feel like he's almost at least a bit tired.... I guess it is taking him quite a while to adjust, and life is tiring when you are a 3yr old, huh? 

Might just go back to a set BT and push through, do an EBT if he wakes before 7am.  We were onto a really good stretch there for a while, so don't know why it's gone a bit haywire again.  Sigh.

Aishi: I try to read the signs as to whether we need a couple pf EBT to get back on track. But as above, sometimes I find the signs are unclear, unless he's super OT and yawning all over the place.  My DS is very sensitive, so he would probably need a few days of EBT to get sorted out.

[haribo89]

Hi trimbler, we have done 10.5hr but that was with a late WU, on NNDs the earliest we have pd is 6.30 and that was just once and she did 13hrs to our surprise. Before NNDs we never had nights over 10.5- 11hrs. She's done 3 NNDs in a row a few weeks ago and she did great 1st day, slept 12.5 hr, no nw, day 2,  slept 12hrs  3 nw, day 3,  slept 11.5hr, 8 NWs. However she probably should of gone to bed earlier. She was touchy on day 3 but ok on other days. I think the 30min naps are putting her into a UT/OT loop. She has short night and wakes tired, her nap refreshs her and she's happy all afternoon but not tired for Bt, i might be wrong but that's the only thing I can think it is because the last few days she will take a nap no problem, even after only a few hours awake due to being sooo tired but bedtime is a battle and we are getting a lot of NWs, which I'm guessing are from OTness? After so many short nights. She's 28 months now, but nap refusal/taking hours to go to sleep, occasional NNDs have been going on since her 2nd birthday. Sometimes i question if it's the 1-0 and that maybe she's just in an OT cycle but then she wouldn't fight Bt after a nap?

[jessmum46]

Aishi no a one-off EBT won't throw things.  We tend to stick to set BT for the most part but J will every now and then have a 20 min power nap in the car if we've had a run of NWs/EWs and it seems to reset things again x

[Aishi]

Thanks katherine!  Thats good to know. Hopefully were back on track as she woke at 6.45

[Aishi]

Uh oh think we've gone off track :-/ shes been really cranky all day today after a 12h night so 6.20 wu. I let her nap 1-2.30 (didnt expect her to nap and she didnt fall asleep at bt till 8.!! I was hoping 7/7.20 to keep to a 13h day....she sounded ot before falling asleep

I want to shift her bt to 7/7.30 as ds's is shifting to 8 to get rid of ew and I was hoping this would do the trick for dd too. ..ugh hope I havent messef things up too much

[Haribo2012]

I think I'm really going to have to maybe try a few NND as DS had an hour the last few days and is waking at 5.30 and not going to sleep till 8pm sometimes bit later. Messing about at BT getting in and out of bed, playing peek a boo round the door....annoying but also hilarious with the look of mischief on his face.
Currently parked in his doorway putting back to bed trying my best not to laugh x