Support for Dropping That Last Nap, Thread #2

[rinajack]

I usually leave nap time the same UNLESS her behaviour indicates she needs it earlier. Like today, she didn't wake up earlier, totally normal (for her) night, but she was melting down at 11 ish when we were out, so napped from about 12 - 1:30pm.  Some days on same wakeup time, it is a struggle to get ehr to nap by 2!

[Katet]

Thanks for the idea of cloth pullups... don't think he'd go for it though as he is a "boxer" man as he doesn't like the elastic, thus why he doesn't like the pull ups. Been dry again for almost a week, so I think it was his body adjusting to the sudden cold/wet weather. Meg I wash almost every day anyway so it isn't a big deal if he does wet & he just hops into his sofa bed, which he does most nights even if he doesn't wet LOL, the main issue is it wakes me up so much, but then he wakes me up for other reasons too... mostly to try & climb into bed with me.

Sleep around here is going ok for ds2, but now ds1 is napping too many days after being sick so his night sleep is cut back & we are back in a cycle of him waking early & getting tired so falls asleep in the car... why do we do so many things with a drive in them? Urghh.

[Mom to M&M]

Hope Noah and Kaleb are feeling better!

After a super crazy weekend (Passover) trying to get back on track here. Saturday DD napped for a little over 1.5 hours (I woke her) and then after the first Sedar didn't fall asleep for the night until almost 11 (!). She then woke coughing (post nasal drip) and crying 30 minutes later, then slept until 6:50 and then from 7:30 or so until 9:40 am. Yesterday she napped in car from about 3:15-3:55 and then didn't go to sleep last night until about 9:40 and then was up crying (but refusing meds) every half hour from 1:30-3:45, then we heard her around 6 but then slept until I woke her at 8 for her last Gymboree class and to try to get her back on track. Not sure if last night was due to OT, last molars breaking, the nuts she had at Sedar or a combination thereof.

[PeepersMom]

Stacy I could have written that paragraph about the 1hour and long nights and 1.5 hour short nights.  (maybe I did? hee hee)  I too can't make myself wake PJ. I just can't. I have been begging for good naps since he was 4 months old. Now I am going to wake him? I just can't do it.  But I am also getting 10 hour nights and it just isn't cutting it.  I don't know the answer right now.  Yesterday he took a 40 min nap and slept almost 11 hours last night but still this morning looks exhausted to me.

This phase is driving me nuts.

Most of the craziness for the month of April is gone. We just have one last trip to take this Thurs-Sun so no point really trying to fix anything.  This long weekend will just mess it up anyway!

Meg

[Katet]

We seem to be falling into a niceish routine of nap one day not the next & last night got 12hours of sleep (ok half in his bed & half on the mattress on the floor next to me), so he woke halfway, but only woke me enough for me to pull the cover over him & he was dry all night, despite being too tired to go to the toilet before bed. I hope today I can get a short nap out of him so he at least gets some daddy time. Downside is to get 12hours it is 6.30-6.30 & so he missed seeing daddy yesterday.

[debo620]

I hear you Stacy!
I am fuming mad at Mike right now! he let Noah sleep 2hrs yesterday 12:30-12:30 and we argued about it last night, and yup I was right---a 9hr night last night!
slept 8:30-5:45 this am--thats great, thanks Mike...

todays nap was 12:10-1:50 or so so 1hr 40min...but Noah has been crying non-stop since 5pm, and he will have to be in bed for 7, and I am ticked

crazy how 1.5hr naps lead to 10-10.5hr nights but 2hr naps lead to 9hr nights...this really sucks!

[debo620]

I hear you---I hate waking Noah when he is sick too and I think thats why Mike let him sleep 2hrs yesterday---but lot of good it did him!

Noah is in bed for 7---not sure but I think he will be up in the night tonight from OT, either that or he'll be up before 6---but I hope he falls asleep soon and then at least gets more sleep tonight.....and can start the day better rested tommorow...and I can give him 1.5hr nap...its going to be an early nap and ealy bed for a few days to come but hopefully I can move him back to a 8ish bedtime.

[PeepersMom]

I thought PJ was exhausted.  He took a 2.5 hour nap yesterday --- after seeing the bags under his eyes and him telling me all morning he wanted to go home to go to sleep I couldn't bear to wake him.  Then fell easily asleep for the night at 830 pm and slept until 7 this morning.  I hope we are back on track here.  But like I said, we are off to go house hunting on Thursday so there is no hope until next week of really trying to figure things out here.

We are off to the zoo this morning so I hope we get a good nap!

Meg

[kcamelia]

Hey ladies, hoping you can help me.  I have read several of the most recent pages, but am not entirely caught up.  I have to say I didn't think I'd be dealing with this particular issue so soon.  Hugo has always needed tons of sleep, and suddenly he doesn't want to nap anymore!  I am sick and tired of leaving him in his room yelling "Need Mo-MEEEE."  Most of the time he does not cry, just yells.  At first I stopped him however I could so he wouldn't wake my 3 month old, but I've found that he doesn't, so I let him go at it. 

Here is his schedule:

7-730 wake
130-330 nap
8p bedtime

If he goes in his room but does not nap, it is like this:

7-730 wake
130-3p in crib
7p bedtime

Sometimes he talks for a while, but when he doesn't nap (especially a few days in a row), he is grumpy, tantrumy, and crashes when he goes to bed.

Things I am wondering:

Maybe he has gotten his second wind by 130 and an earlier nap would be better?
He takes off his grobag; should I dispense with it entirely? (it is getting warm)  For me, it was always insurance that he would not try to climb out of his crib.
Am I crazy, or would a big boy bed transition help?  I'm not sure why I think it would, except that I wonder if giving him a little more control could help.  Like some of you letting them nap in your bed, etc.
I can't let him nap in my bed because the baby sleeps in there in a bassinet.  Or maybe I could nap the baby in his room in his crib? 
Or do I just need to wear him out in the mornings?

[Mom to M&M]

hey there! I'd try wearing him out at the park or whatever in the morning and moving nap to 1pm so he's not overtired, TBH. I'd also dump the grobag if he's getting stimulated by taking it off. And if all else fails, you could certainly try to let him nap in your bed and move the baby to his crib - but that depends on Hugo and whether you think he'd even nap well there and not insist on being there at night too.

DD has been catching up on sleep after a CRAZY weekend and some bad nights so hopefully we are getting back on track. At least until the next rocky patch LOL

[debo620]

yup this napping in big boy bed is totaly crappy...don't know when to time it.

Noah seems to be sleeping a max of 10hrs at night. our day has moved earlier with me trying to get him to sleep earlier etc. long naps make nights even worse....either way he is very grumpy come 4/5pm and I am barely tolerating him....

last night, he was asleep at 8:15 and woke this morning at 6am---I made him stay in his room til 7---is this where I am going wrong?

I tried to get him to nap earlier but maybe it feels to early too him?
I gave him early lunch and bed at 11:55---but he is mucking around in his room and doing "bed olympics"---only his involves running around the room...
now it sounds as though he is maybe in bed but he is naming the whole family LOL....

ok, so considering a 6am wake-up----when would you guys let this nap go til I am hopeing he is asleep by 12:45----and then maybe bed at 7? when should the cut off time be?

I know many of you are having 7am wakes---and your cut off is 2/2:30---

[kcamelia]

Thanks all!  Stacy, I think you might be right.  I've been expecting too much sleep.  I guess I wasn't sure if it was an attention/new baby syndrome sort of thing.  Hard to remember that he is growing and changing too.  I think we'll hold off on the bed transition and focus on limiting naps.  I'm also going to be sure he gets lots of exercise since it is getting warm out.

Deb, I'm no expert, but I don't think it's unreasonable to make him stay in bed/in his room until 7:00.  It shouldn't affect his nap time if he's awake.  I don't think Hugo would nap that early, but again, I don't really know what I'm doing.    And lastly, our cut off has been 330-4 for a long time, and he can talk or throw a fit (depending on his mood at 8p bedtime) until 9 or 930 sometimes, so a 2/230 cutoff sounds about right.

[debo620]

asleep on his own at 12:50 or so---so almost 7hrs after waking....aargh.....if I let the nap go til 2:15---he probably won't be asleep til 8:15 again....
thats a fine time with me---but please just sleep til 6:45 in the morning...

[debo620]

well thats that Noah woke at 1:30 on his own...great!!!!!

what time should bedtime be?
I am thinking 6:30----lovely!
maybe he'll go back to sleep...

[Mom to M&M]

I agree with Stacy - get Noah to bed at 7 and limit Hugo's nap to 1.5 hours TOPS. Yesterday DD woke at 8:15. She napped from 1:25-2:30 (I woke her) and didn't fall asleep until almost 9:30 (despite getting into bed at 8:15). She woke for day at 8:40 and fell right asleep for nap at 1:40. Had to wake her 2:30 both to try for decent bedtime and to get to Home Depot. Will try normal bedtime tonight and see what happens.