Anyone Want To Talk About the 2-1 Transition? Thread #13

[Buntybear]

BB: great news on your night better, you certainly deserve it. So you think it really really was the allergies after all?   That was what we first both thought "way back when."

Yep, really do think it was the allergies all along. He actually copes with OT really well. Been on one nap days since his nights are better and even on short nap days he still STTN. Still needs me to get off to sleep so not totally independent but after so many months of pain that is understandable. Poor little mite.

[lulunut]

maybe their should be a new thread...how to brainwash parents/carers into following BW Routines

Love it!

[ccaawc]

can someone tell me what's going on?

day b4 yesterday, we attempt our first one nap day ( as STTN is so rare with 2 naps recently) she slept 2 hrs ( 4hrs A) 11-1, then 7hrs A before 8pm BT then STTN until 5( cold, I guess, and as soon as I give her a blanket, she went back down) then slept till 6:50. ( 11 hrs nite is rare for us, +/- 10 is more likely)

Yesterday, another one nap attempt but failed, she slept 1.5 (4 hrs A)(11-12:30) then fell asleep in car from 4:50-5:20.  BT was pushed to 9:20 ( I tried to put her down since 8 ) NW from 2am -3am. can someone tell me is this OT? or UT? or napping too late? last A too short? nite sleep only 9+hr WU at 6:12 ( 40mins earlier than usual)

Today, thought she will be sleepy from short nite, but no, she was still going at 4.5A, and I finally get her down at almost 5 hr A, slept 1.5 and tried to extend her nap by rocking and she closed her eyes for mayb 10min? APOP a pm nap from 4pm -4:20pm. Easy BT at 8:15. I'll see tonite goes.

Now, my problem is, I can't do 2 naps without pushing BT until it is way too late and her nite is cut short since she doesn't wake later with a later BT ( I wonder why, I would wake later if I slept late) but I don't know how to get her to nap longer so she'll make it to BT and if she naps less than 2, I am uncomfortable APing the pm nap, fearing that it will become a prop.

I am afraid of early BT too, since my lo is not very good at sleeping long hrs at nite, and I used a week to push her usual BT from 7 to 8:30 so her wake up is closer to 7.

shall I keep extending her 1st A until I get 2hrs or more from her?

[sherry lynn]

Remind us, how old is your LO?

[~Karen~]

7 hours A time seems massive for a first one nap day.  Oh she's the same age as Lewis right?  So just turned a year old.  If he was up at 1pm from a nap I was only doing a one nap day he'd be going down at 6pm.  I know you're scared of the ew but she'll just get major OT if you keep her up so late before bed.  You'll probably find that she'll sleep until the same time in the morning anyway even if you do put her down really early for bed.  

[timmysmommy]

Hi all!  Just returned from a week of travel.  T is still having some 1 nap, and some 2 nap days.  We've had a few 2 nap days since we got home, and they are just awful.  His PM nap is way too late, and then he is not tired for bed.  We have had some late nights and early mornings!  Yesterday I let him sleep whenever he wanted for as long as he wanted to try to get caught up on sleep.  Today, I kept him up a long time to try for one nap.  Poor guy woke after 30 min OT, but went back down.  I'm hoping he sleeps for a long time!!

ccaawc- I think you have to find what works for your child.  T sleeps better at night on one nap.  When he has two naps, they are too short, and he is cranky, then not tired for BT.  However, he is no longer sleeping in when he has a late bt.  I too worry about EW as my lo does not sleep long at night- usually 9-10 hrs.  I don't worry about occasional apop when trying to adjust to a new schedule.  It seems to ease the transition and is not that difficult to break later on.

[Noriko378]

Hi Everyone!

   I'm new to this whole 2:1 transition phase and would really love some thoughts on how I can get naps/BT/NW sorted out. My son is 11 months and a week old and for about 2 -3 weeks now, I've noticed that its getting harder and harder to fit in all his naps in a day and get him down at a decent time for bed. Also, my son is now sleeping between 9-10.5 hrs a night when he used to sleep for at least 11. We're getting 1-2 NW where he just plays in his crib. Sometimes, he'll go back to sleep after 15 minutes, other times, he may stay awake for 1.5 hrs! My son was not the best sleeper to begin with but I thought that once we taught him how to nap in his own crib (he was napping in the swing), that things will eventually sort itself out. So far, I've had 2 days in the last month where naps and BT have gone wonderfully but more often than not, it's hit or miss. So, here are some of the issues we are having right now:

1) Long NW
2) Inconsistent Naps (sometimes he will sleep for 40 minutes and refuse to go back to sleep, other times, he will extend)
3) Takes a long time to fall asleep for naps (maybe need an increase in A time? He fluctuates between 3.5 hrs-4) also he is pulling up now so that distracts him as well.
4) Short NT sleep - he doesn't seem to "make up" for lost sleep at night unless he is REALLY OT.

Our current A time is 3.5/3.5/3 but with the 3.5 A time, it can take him up to 30 minutes to fall asleep. 3 hrs A time before BT is perfect if he has at least an hour nap in the afternoon. So, my question is, where do I go from here? I've been trying to cap his first naps to 45 minutes and let him sleep for 1.5 hrs in the afternoon but I notice that he still
only sleeps for 9-10 hrs a night and our day is extended to 13 hrs at least. Isn't 12 hrs of sleep/24 hours a tad bit too low for an 11 month old?? I am so worried that he would get into a nasty OT cycle if this keeps up. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

[jordiwes]

Hi Mirabel,
How long have you been trying the 45 minute nap cap? I've noticed that things sometimes take up to a week to adjust. 12 hours of 24 does seem low for a LO that age, but you can only do what you can do and the rest is up to your LO. My DD1 was low sleep needs, so I was always trying to get her to sleep more, but she just couldn't.
I would try 3.75 for first A with a 45 minute nap cap for a few days.
Anything developmental going on? Also feel free to post on the EASY board.
Steph

[Noriko378]

Hi Steph,

   Thanks for the reply. I've been capping his naps for about 5 days now - today is day 6. I've noticed that if he has more the 2 hrs/daytime sleep, his night sleep is cut short to 9-10 hrs. During those odd times where he would have a short nap (30 minutes) in the morning and 1.5 hrs in the afternoon, he sleeps for at least 11 hrs a night. Maybe that would be the way to go. Also, his A time seem to have increased again - he needs at least 4 hrs now before going down for his 1st nap. I'll keep capping his 1st nap to 45 minute and keeping the 2nd for 1.5 for a couple more days to see if things improve. If not, I may need to post another thread on the EASY board for some feedback. Thanks again!

Mirabel

[sianie]

Quick Q (I think this may have been discussed before..?).....1hr 10min naps...OT or UT?

E has done 1hr 10/15min AM naps for the last few days (usually it's 1.5hrs), I'm more inclined to think he's OT. Problem is I'm not getting the A time right in the PM so we're struggling a bit. What A time would you do after this length nap?

[jackman]

Sian - I might be too late. If you think E is OT, how about putting him down at 2:30 instead of 2:45 for his second nap? Let him sleep an hour. I'm going by what I do for Jack when he cuts his first nap short. HTH. How did last night go?

[sianie]

Lol Oanh....you must be psychic as that's exactly what I did! 

Woke him at 3.30pm so was thinking BT for 7pm?

We went out for dinner last night & SIL said she didn't hear a peep out of him. He woke at 3.55am this AM 'tho but went back to sleep after babbling for 10/15mins then awake for the day at 6.10am so nights are still getting shorter  !

[jackman]

LOL!! Yes too funny and good that we always seem to be on the same page. I'm wondering if 7pm will be too early for E since he woke and babbled at 4ish this morn. Yes I know about the nights seem to be getting shorter. Part of me is thinking he is still wanting more A time somewhere. What if you tried for BT at 7:15pm? If you think E is still OT and he'll go down easily at 7, then go for it. FX'd you get things sorted soon. Will PM you more later today.

Glad you had a night out. Been wanting one of those for awhile with DH.

[sianie]

So I think I'm going to have to start to cut back E's PM nap to 45/30 mins.

What A times do you all do after a 45 min nap (& a 30 min one!). I'm thinking E can probably handle around 3hrs A (ish!)...

[akshu]

We are going through the same thing with DS who is 11.5 months old. He was battling a cold and I think that's what sent everything haywire. Off late he has been getting up earlier and earlier like 545/6am as compared to 630-645am, also noting night waking at 2-3am and he stays awake for 1 hour or so at that time, screaming until I go pick him up, which is unusual for him.

Previously he would nap at 930-945am, but now with me trying to extend his A time, I put him down at 1030 or so, he fights going down at that time, andhe wakes up cranky within 1/2 an hour. I shoot for the second nap around 1pm, but he just lays in the cot talking to himself/standing up and I finally put him in my bed and get a 2 hour nap then.
Do you think I should just shoot for one nap at 12pm or so and then put him to bed early? very frustrated with not being able to get him to sleep well, and making him cranky
Thanks for all the help
Allison