Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[hillybean]

I guess it works out to be a little longer than a 12 hour day . She's definitely an angel baby.  I'm going to try today to cap the second nap at 45 min, and then maybe do 2-2.5 hour A time before bed.  We'll see how that goes!  I think she's either getting too much daytime sleep, or not enough A time before bed.  I asked her which one it was, but she's not answering

[Iryna_B]

Hi! I'm so glad I found this topic! Please advice me. I'm trying to transition my DD to 1 nap and don't know if I'm doing it right.
She's been fighting 2nd nap and BT lately. And in order to make it on usual times I would have to wear her in a sling to calm down and then she would fall asleep. Wind down is much more difficult now than it was couple of months ago. She's so active and it is just impossible to simply put her in a bed awake as it was in good old days. Anyways, she is turning 12 months tomorrow. Yesterday our BT was 10 pm instead of usual 8 pm. Nothing seemed to calm her down. Finally she did fall asleep on my breast out of exhaustion.
I'm trying to extend her her first morning A time gradually. For the last couple of days it was until 10.30 am. But today she woke 6.45 am instead of regular 7.30 am and was super tired and couldn't handle more A time. Maybe I should still keep her up until 10.30? I'm hoping to eliminate 1st nap. Do you think I'm doing it right? Also her 1st nap is about 1 hr 30 min, which eventually pushes 2nd nap and BT further. Should I wake her up in the middle of 1 st nap to avoid late BT?

[Kellyjs]

Hi again hillybean,

How's it been going with capping that pm nap? Has it helped with the EW?

We're getting EW again  strange as she's now doing nearly 5hrs before her 1st nap! Not bad for a 9.5mo I suppose but I have a feeling either she's getting OT or she's getting too much day time sleep for her... Have a feeling she's vlsn. If the day time sleep for us is 1.5hr and 45mins, she won't do over 10.5-11hrs at night!! 2x45 mins = 11.5 hrs at night.

Iryna_b... Does sound like your LO was OT? This link has been super helpful to me from 2 to 1 nap - how, when and the bumps  I do know it takes a long time to go to one nap so the idea of 'eliminating the 1st nap' might not be doable, especially if your LO can only make it to 10.30am. But I'm not an expert, I've just read sooooo much about this!! 

Xx

[Sarah - Enfys' Mum]

Hi guys, I think it's about time I joined you . Medi's not quite 8 months but is already well on her way to one nap. We get a lot of long chatty NW and the occasional super ew just for a bit of added fun. We recently went on holiday and she was napping a lot less than at home but her nights were better, so I'm trying to recreate that. She also likes an 11 hr night. Obviously she thinks sleep is for the weak... Anyway. We're doing short am/long pm nap, mainly to help with the ew. It works ok, as long as I wake her soon enough from the first nap. This was today

Wu 6:10
S 9:15-9:50
S 12:55-3
S 6:50-?
She's still having 1 nf, around 2-3 am, which she is showing no sign of dropping anytime soon

[Layla]

Hi hun,

we are also doing the short am/long pm to stay on top of the early wakings

Mine will still have 2 naps pretty regularly...she's done one nap here and there but she's pretty ready for the morning nap and touch wood things are going well so far so I don't want to push her if I don't have to!

Oh and wrt the night feed...Jennifer also had a night feed at 8 months...not consistently and sometimes she would sleep through but sometime around 9 months she dropped it on her own!

are you offering both sides? See if you can get away with one side only night feed and maybe that will be the start of weaning it over the next month or so

[Sarah - Enfys' Mum]

She's gone thru to 5 am twice but was then up for the day. I'm not sure I'd get away with one side, she's pretty greedy and asks for both sides. I might have more luck with a short feed on the first side actually. Will start to give it a go. E has a week off school the end of the month and I thought maybe I'd try to wean hp the nf then. Their bedrooms are side by side and Medi does wake Enfys.

[gb18]

Hi. Thought it would be a good idea to chat on here as struggling with 2-1 transition.
2 weeks ago lo sleeping beautifully long am short pm, last week refusing pm naps! Makes no difference if the am nap is 1.5 hrs or 2hrs, still refuses. I have tried a longer A pre pm cn but still no luck.

I initially tried shorter am but struggled with the correct A time after but thinking I might try again and this time make am nap super short at 30 mins. What do u think?

Had 5 days now of no significant pm nap and this has cause nw again 😞

My easy yest was
Wu 7
Nap 10.40-12.00
Nap aimed for 4- tried for 45 mins then gave up
Aimed for ebt but lo unable to settle as OT so slept about 7.15

Nw for 3/4 hr at 2.30am
Wu 7 today.

Just wondering do people do full morning A before 1st nap but then still wake them? Feel bad but there is no way lo will sleep if not fully tired. Also what A should I do after 30 min nap? Tried 3 hr before and it gave 40 min but he seemed tired!!
Also what do people do when u r stuck in an OT cycle?  Do u let them have a longer nàp somewhere? Just if I do long am I know I will get no pm so OT worsens!!

Sorry for all the questions xx

[babybarr]

I'm hopping on here too!  My boys the same age as Medi!  4.30am chatting and midnight playing are just not on.  We've been doing long am and normal pm (although J only short napping in the pm) but both boys will easily handle 4hrs in the morning and J easily did 4hrs + on a 40min nap yesterday afternoon.  However with such ews I managed to get them back to sleep and are pushing them hard this morning which they are not enjoying esp H - he seems to get more tired quicker.  When they were little I used to find their nights were much better with less day sleep so I'm hoping this will be the case now too.

gb18 - how old is your LO?  I never found short am nap worked with ds1 and these two hate being woken early so I have to try and find what works for them.  Are you able to push your nap later in the day - try a 4hr A time perhaps? then an ebt?

[gb18]

Hi Laura. D is 10.5 months. He was a 45 min napper which improved around 6/7 months when I had confidence to push A times.

This morning he woke at 7, settled with his head down in his cot for a further 20 mins ( unsure if he was fully asleep) but now is asleep at 10.30! I could def push that A but don't know what to do as def will not get a pm nap if he has long nap now, ebt is difficult as don't think he really tacks on. Hard to say as often struggle to get ebt ( although after 1 hr nap all day the other day we did!!).
Even with 4 hr easy would I still not need a 2nd nap?

Going to try short am again today and cross my fingers!! Worried though!!!!!

[babybarr]

What I meant was if you pushed the first A time out your nap would be later and (hopefully) you might not need the second nap?  How early did he drop the catnap? Now with solids and dropping naps you kind of fit in food where you can a bit.  So you could do
7am wake
11-1pm nap (or longer if he'll do it)
then 6.30pm bed (could you manage that?)
You could fit food in before and after nap - do a split lunch if necessary (I used to do something like that with ds1)

[Sarah - Enfys' Mum]

Yeah I think I'd say short am nap too gb18. I'd go all the way to 30 mins, then he should be plenty tired to sleep this afternoon.

[babybarr]

Failed miserably! H slept 40mins J 1hr 50mins...

[Sarah - Enfys' Mum]

They just can't get together can they . That reminds me, they've made a twins thread. Ill pm you the link now.

[babybarr]

Well J had a catnap just now of 20mins and H about 30mins... will see what tonight brings.  TBH I think H was just too hot, they've been so grumpy until I stripped them off.

[Kellyjs]

I'm in the exact same position as you gb18... The short am, long pm nap has never worked for us at all... We just get 2 x 45mins naps or a 30, then 45 

We've had a hectic wknd, so DD didn't nap as well as usual... Even planned to be in the car for her short pm cat nap...she just shouted and cried the entire 40 mins journey. I hate it when they do that..l had to stop 3 times and give her a cuddle but that only made matters worse.

Now back at home and thought we'd sort out the OT issue by letting her sleep 2hrs for her nap, (10.40-12.40) but now I've tried to put her down for her cat nap and it sounds like she's doing laps in there 

Even had a yucky 5.30am wu this morning although she was content to play around on her own for half an hour. So I'm tempted to leave her up there for another 10mins and if she doesn't sleep, do a 6.15pm BT. What do others think?

And Laura... I can't believe you've got to do this twice over! ((Hugs))