Anyone want to talk about the 2-1 transition #26

[kbecks]

Thanks for the tips.

She only had 30 min all day at nursery yesterday but slept like a log all night . She is ok with OT for a bit though I think it effects her early evening sleep as she can be very unsettled though still asleep. Today we've had a 25 min early sleep and then a play date and I had to nudge her to keep her awake coming home. She went downlike a dream for a pm nap so it's a happy day!!!

I think I've come to realise her cues are now more powerful than the timings asthe nursery days are changing the other days so much that is just not possible to time as I've no clue what the times should be.   I've been so stressed over her daytime sleep the whole time that I'm trying to approach the 2-1 with a more pragmatic approach...let's hope it's possible!!!

Thanks again xx

[BusterB]

I think I've come to realise her cues are now more powerful than the timings asthe nursery days are changing the other days so much that is just not possible to time as I've no clue what the times should be.   I've been so stressed over her daytime sleep the whole time that I'm trying to approach the 2-1 with a more pragmatic approach...let's hope it's possible!!!

I have the dilemma between timings vs cues all the time kbecks, i have my mum & sil suggesting i just follow his sleepy cues (which are plentiful) but doing that never works well for very long as we soon end up with under-tiredness setting in. But sometimes when he seems desperately tired and by the timings there is another 2 hours to go until a nap, I wonder if i'm really doing the right thing ignoring them :/ It would be great to be able to just follow the cues though, I hope your new approach is successful - keep us posted 

So far today is going ok here - did a CN between 8:30-9am and he went down at 12:45 after lunch and is still asleep... so we are almost 2 hours in & looking like I will be able to do a decent bedtime too! Makes that 5:30am start today more tolerable.

I hope everyone elses' days are going ok.

[Green007]

Nope, not LSN. She actually slept 6:10-5:10 then back til 6:00. So she woke at 6:00 today...had breakfast at 6:40...I'm going to give her some lunch around 10...put her for a nap around 11 and hope for a better outcome than 45 minutes. Whatever it is she's doing...I unfortunately have to roll with it...I'm not sure why she will not do a second nap...could my A time be too short? 3-4 hours? I don't know. I'm too afraid to do a short 20 min nap in the am in fear she will not do that second nap.

[MarciaMSPT]

Help dear moms!

We are doing well with sleeping.  One nap at 12 that goes 2.5 hours BUT that is causing a later bedtime 8:30 instead of 8. 

Should I cap this nap and keep with our 8pm bedtime or simple let him sleep for 2.5 hours and put him to bed later.  It's either 30 extra min for nap with 30 less minutes with bedtime sleep or visa versa.

Also... my LO just turned one.  And so did his outdoor voice!  He is ever so clingy and doesnt' just cry now but screams.  I need to teach him that he can't always have it his way but I want to be sympathetic too... however, like all of you, there is work to be done here at home and carrying him all the time is NOT an option.  Yes, I think he's teething and yes, I think he's in an awful wonder week storm!  Please tell me this passes!  Any thoughts or words of encouragement!!???

He's fine for a total of about 1 hour broken up in bits and pieces from wake up at 7am to first nap at 12.  This makes for a long morning for mommy! 

Help... and hugs in advance! 

[Green007]

Marcia....my one year old monster is also doing this. I often walk away from her when she starts yelling...but now she says "mama" so she climbs up my leg yelling "mama...mama!" And I have to literally peel her off me like a little leech and walk away lol She often comes after me but she has to learn that this is not acceptable. So I walk away from her, redirect her by giving her something to play with (sometimes she's ok with this....other times she throws it) and keep talking to her and a low low voice so she has to stop crying/yelling to hear me. This one is definitely going to be in politics...she's so head strong and feisty!

[Kellyjs]

Busterb, those naps are impressive! Well done you!!

Glad you're feeling more positive Kate.

Green007, yep, I think your A time is too short. Perhaps 3-4hrs might work after a cn, but after a long nap I would think you'd definitely need to be around the 4hr mark. Have a go and see perhaps?

((Hugs)) Marcia. I've got the exact same problem but with wu. That extra 1/2hr sleep in the daytime is robbing her nt sleep so I'm unsure what to do either. Today I've tried capping the nap at 2hrs but I really don't think she was ready to get up. Went down like a dream tonight at 6.30 apparently. (DH did bt as I had dinner with a friend), so we'll see how the wu is tomorrow. As you know mine is the opposite of yours! Mine won't refuse bt, just wake up earlier!!  I'm sorry he's being a bit yucky atm, I'm sure it'll pass. I did read on here on another post that the wonder week is particularly horrible at this time. 

[BusterB]

We just had a bit of a sleep disaster here! My son literally just fell asleep, so his day was 16hr30m long 

We even took him out in the car an hour ago - which would usually knock him out in 5 mins flat & he just ended up getting upset after a while, as he obviously couldn't sleep, so we brought him home & I was eventually able to feed him to sleep.

Would developing his walking cause sleep disturbance like  this? He generally wasn't upset or anything, just wide awake. He has been grabbing his ears a lot today, so we did think he might be teething, but the behaviour tonight did not say pain/discomfort to me. He was on the boob for almost 2 hours as I was trying to relax him & get him to sleep but he was just wide eyed staring at me and playing with me. Very bizarre indeed. No idea if it is connected to our big nap or just coincidence?!

[Kellyjs]

Wow Busterb that's crazy. I've never seen anything like that in here. Surely it can't be OT considering the amazing naps yesterday. What time did he wu from his nap? As he can do crazy hours on little sleep perhaps he was UT? How was wu this morning?

Developmental stuff tends to manifest itself in NW here not refusal to go to sleep. In fact the better naps we have the easier she goes to sleep! It might be worth posting on the general sleep board so a mod can take a look?

Marcia- just an update on capping that nap. We got a 11.5hr night! Wu at just gone 6. Hmmm interesting. Problem is, I've seen 24mth old routines on here and they cap the nap to a max of 2hrs to preserve an 11hr night. Surely I must be way off with a nearly one year old doing the same??im worried if I continue to cap the nap, it will have to be capped further in the next few months then we'll end up going through the 1-0 when she's 18mths or something stupid! 

[BusterB]

...... just an update on capping that nap. We got a 11.5hr night! Wu at just gone 6. Hmmm interesting. Problem is, I've seen 24mth old routines on here and they cap the nap to a max of 2hrs to preserve an 11hr night. Surely I must be way off with a nearly one year old doing the same??

Thanks Kelly! I have taken your advice and posted in general sleep, but seeing it written down I can see that he had too much day sleep (for him) yesterday and last night was UT! He is so damn sensitive to it - I just didn't think after just 9 hours the previous night, that 2.5hr of naps would kill our bedtime like that! This LSN thing is bizarre!! Or maybe it's crazy OT as the 9hr night suggests? But then how come the massive nap was so easy/good?!

But what you wrote above resonated as it looks like cutting my son's nap/s to 2 hours at 10.5mo is necessary - which I guess I have already been doing with a 1hr 20 + 20m c/n for a while now actually. But then we ended up in OT mess from that so I  very confused!

My Mum (& many others) thinks that capping naps is madness & you should just leave a baby to sleep.. Is all so confusing! 

We got another 9 hour night after his crazy day yesterday.... was awake at 4am but fed back to sleep eventually and then up at 7. I can hear him grizzling with his Dad now too so not a happy boy.

Now I have zero idea what routine to follow today as my best friend has him this evening and will be putting him to bed - so I need to leave timing instructions & am totally baffled. I'm worried she'll have another nightmare with him.

[Kellyjs]

I hate others doing the BT routine too hun. As others have said to me, don't worry he'll go to sleep eventually. It's not like they have to do it every night, so are a lot more patient! And it is your best friend after all.

It'll be interesting to see what the mods think about your routine and the crazy short nights. I think he'll handle one nap really well, but you know him best. I hate LSN. I'm definitely HSN myself! My mum says the same too about capping naps. I'm surprised I actually turned out ok considering  . We just want the best for our lo's too but I think we just have more and better information now. My mum also says it's too early for O to be on one nap... As it so happens every time she visits, I need to give O a two nap day 

[debo620]

Hi all,
thursday I did force a catnap of 10 min at 5:20 or so but then my mom had a hard time getting dd to bed that evening, I think because  she tried too early and she didn't give her her soother, so that night she wasn't asleep until 8:30, up once at slept until 7:15

friday
wake 7:15
nap 12-2
bed 7:30
but why the NW, last night she was up at 11:30/12:30 and then again 4:30, awake for the day at 7:30

today she fell asleep in the stroller for a max of maybe 5 min (Im not even sure) at 11:20--so I did normal lunch and in to bed for 12:15 but she's just talking away...

did any of you have NW when dropping to one nap? I feel lilt e we are sort of past the point of bring able to go back to two naps and for the most part, one nap around noon is working but Im having a hard time knowing what to do with the NW..

[Kellyjs]

Hi Deb, well technically that looks like a 'perfect' day, if that exists 

How is she at the NW? Is she easy to settle? Yep, we did and still get NW but for the most part are easier to settle now I've moved the day around a bit. I should've seen the warning signs as O has always liked a short A to bed. We no longer get the so-called OT NW 1hr or so after BT, but we still get a few here and there. Unsure why really, sometimes she's just lost her bunny, others, who knows. Wonder week? I have a feeling her molars are moving around as she's super dribbly atm and woke from her nap with the rosiest cheeks I have ever seen! Do you think any teething could be happening?

Sometimes, I think there is just a settling down period whilst they get used to the new routine. I know exactly what you mean about going backwards. O will not do two naps at all now unless she wakes up stupidly early, may have a cat nap for 10 mins in the car around 8.30am,then we can still keep the real nap around the same time iykwim? There's no way she'd go back to a long am, short CN routine that we had before, irrelevant of what times she wakes.

That 5mins would've thrown us out too.. I might've pushed the nap around 15-20mins later I think. Difficult one as it was so close to nap time wasn't it?

[debo620]

yes, she's finally settled at 12:40-so we shall see how long it lasts..

our NW are strange, last night she woke at 11:30-I went in and found her soother and she cried when I left but then settled and then she was crying again an hour later, and this time she seems like she wanted to nurse, so I nursed her and she then she settled until 4:30 when she was up again and I nursed her again darn it!
I would normally try and settle her without a feed until at least 3;30/4 but Im sick at the moment and I need to sleep. Ive been going to bed most nights at 9:30 just to try and catch up..

I honestly wonder if we are just too young for this?
Maybe id be better to try and get an under tired nap from her if I tried to put her down at 11 and she what she does..? maybe she just wouldn't sleep though and I wouldn't feel so guilty about pushing her out to noon..
I def know that a long nap at 11:30 is not working because she won't sleep again..

[debo620]

totally a disaster because she slept 12:35-1:05! uugh..
I really hope she will have another nap at 3:30 or something..

[babybarr]

Debo I know how you feel!

Today we had 11.30-12.30 nap, they wouldn't go down for another nap so were asleep just before 6pm.  It'll be interesting to see what the night brings!