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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2008, 15:18:59 pm »
Hi Leslie,

Sorry I am only just on, we've been busy today so I think I have missed naptime but I think maybe you should to your usual naptime otherwise you will probably have a very long A time before bed.

As she slept from 5pm until gone 3.30 last night she doesn't sound typically OT (though she might be after all the wakings). When L has walkings like these she is nearly always teething, do you think she might have molars coming? L is teething right now in fact but it is her canines and she woke at 6.30 today (very early nowadays) and some nights I hear her cry out between each sleep cycle from the early hours of the morning, I guess they are sleeping lighter the second half of the night and it bothers them more. If it is her teeth then that wont be helping her naps either.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2008, 15:24:54 pm »
Stick to it.
Don't be tempted to change anything.
The NW may be a consequence of her system readjusting to the new schedule (but you're right, you'll never know for certain)
Consistency will win out!

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2008, 15:27:11 pm »
Katt-

She's definitely getting molars- to the point of sticking her fingers down her throat and inadvertently making herself vomit.  Teething tablets and tylenol are not doing much good either.

I'm confused- do you think her nap should be earlier than 11:30am?  It's actually 10:44am here, I think you're at least 5 hours ahead of us.

I long for the day of one decent nap.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2008, 15:54:13 pm »
Hi Leslie
Yes I would go with 11.30nap, hope I'm not too late.

Is Tylenol paracetamol? give it at least 30Min's before nap/bedtime so it has time to kick in.  If it really isn't helping that much you can do a staggered dose of paracetamol then ibuprofen based meds, so paracetamol 1hr before, ibuprofen before windown.

MommaHolmes are you phsycic? glad you could help  :)

Stick with it Leslie, it may not seem it but things are getting better, a 50min nap and wake ups after 6am  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2008, 17:08:08 pm »
Leslie the teething certainly wont help matters but unfortunately there is not much that can be done apart from give meds. Usually a dose of paracetomel before bed is enough to see L through the night but these bumpy canines are only responding to parectomel and ibuprofen.

I know it's hard when it comes to deciding a nap time, I often (but not always) find if I put L down earlier when OT she will have a longer nap but from what you have previously written this doesn't usually happen with M so I would stick with a nap time that will mean you don't have to keep her up too long in the afternoon. I would actually probably try 12.00 so if it is short it would only be 4½ hrs until bedtime but I do understand that you probably don't want to risk keeping her up that long. Sometimes when they are up long past their usual A time they are so exhausted they sleep deeper but it's not always the case.

What sort of things do you do in your A time? Is DD walking yet or trying a lot? Will she sit in her pushchair for a long walk, i used to find this the best way to keep L up longer without her getting OT  but sometimes I'd struggle with keeping her awake.

Hang in there, it just can't continue like this indefinitely  :)
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2008, 17:50:09 pm »
OK girls, I'm confused on the consistency front (sorry if I'm completely dense).  Do I need to be consistent with clock times (e.g. nap at 11:30am, bedtime at 5pm, regardless of wake up time and nap length) or with A times (e.g. nap 5 hours after waking, bedtime 4.5 hours after waking)???

I put her down at 11:24am, and she slept til 12:47pm, but woke up crying and couldn't get her b2s.  Is an earlier bedtime in order, like 4:45pm?
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2008, 18:14:40 pm »
Leslie, wow a 1hr 20min nap, thats fantastic  ;D ;D ;D

Consistensy is a balance, particularly at this stage.  Set the nap by the clock rather than A time, so regardless of wake up that is nap time, then set bedtime as close as possible to the desired bedtime which leaves enough hours in night to get full night sleep.  So, so far both by the clock.  BUT

If you get a much later than normal wake up after a reasonable night then you will need to rethink the nap time in terms of A time not clock time, so at least 5hrs after wake up, any sooner and you will most likely get a short nap.  Again with the afternoon, it may be necessary to go by length of A time following a short nap to give an early bedtime.  What I wouldn't advise doing is moving bedtime too much later than normal 15mins max, as its suprising how this can quickly lead to OT at bedtime even after a really good day.

Hope that makes sence  ;)
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2008, 19:42:37 pm »
1 hr 20 mins is a fantastic nap! If I were you I would call anything over 1 hr an acceptable nap and don't try and extend. Take the well earned opportunity to go in to your little one smiling and pleased to get her up - I know she woke crying but I'm sure a big smile from her mum would soon sort that out  :)

Yes, consistency in terms of clock times seems to be the key. When we were doing everything with fixed A times (with massive variability in wake up time and nap time), nothing settled down. When we fixed on clock times, it seemed to give the stability needed for Ollie's biological rhythms to get back on track and synchronise with our day.

I think the plan of 11:30am nap and 5pm bedtime sounds like a good place to start. Make a conscious decision that you're going to stick with it for AT LEAST one week (and keep coming back here for the reassurance that you're doing the right thing if you need it!), then review.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2008, 19:54:50 pm »
Ooops I had a typo- it was actually 1 hour 13 min nap, but I'll take that.

Thanks again for all of your input... I'll keep going by the clock for now.

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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2008, 20:04:45 pm »
Only 1 hr 13? Well that's different...  ;)

Our *good* day nap is only 1hr 30 and your LO sounds like she's always been a very short napper - if you set your hopes on a 1 hr nap then you leave a little room to feel pleased with the progress you're making and not always feeling like things are going badly cos she doesn't nap for 2+ hours.

Hope you continue to see improvements as the week goes on.
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2008, 20:10:10 pm »
I forgot to respond to some of your questions- I'm a little foggy today, as M went b2s this morning but mommy didn't!

I don't know what paracetomol is, so I have no idea if it's like Tylenol.  But M hates the gels rubbed on her gums, so I don't bother with those.

She's been walking since 10 mos (lucky me  ::) ).  She's now moving to running (and falling).
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2008, 12:24:55 pm »
Good morning girls-

Last night was about the same- definitely think teething is throwing us a monkey wrench.

5pm Bedtime
(Heard her each hour for the next 2)
1:53am Moaning til about 2:35pm, then crying - replaced Paci
B2s until 6:27am

We're supposed to go to a music class today at 10am- is this a bad idea, as in too much stimulation?  I don't want to be so focused on naps that she never gets any social interaction.
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #72 on: January 14, 2008, 12:28:31 pm »
Will you be able to get her into bed for her nap at 11:30? If so, go for it.
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2008, 14:15:28 pm »
Hi Leslie and everyone else  :)

When you mention consistancy IMO I would go for a set naptime, 11.30 for now but would work towards 12 but then in bed after 4½ hours as I said OMO but I know Leorah gets very OT if she gets to bed too late.

I would also definitely say yes to the music class, I think it's good stimulation, if L has been to playgroup or been playing with other kids before her nap I often find she sleeps better.

I would definitely be happy with a 1hr13 nap, that is about L's usual and I know it is 2 whole sleepcycles for her, anything less and I know she will be tired in the afternoon, anymore is a bonus and means she can usually handle a slightly longer A time. An almost half past six wake up, that's fantastic! Leorah was awake at 5am today, I could hear her chewing the sides of her cot so went in and quickly gave her some calpol (like tylenol) and she settled back down straight away and I had to wake her at 8! Tonight she will be going to bed after 6pm for the first time in over a week, these short naps have meant a 5.30pm bedtime everynight  ::)
There is not much to be done about teething but give them some medicine and hope it passes quickly. There sure has been an impressive improvement though  ;D
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Re: 12 month old with 30-45 min naps
« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2008, 18:35:40 pm »
Just for clarification, paracetamol is pretty much the standard run of the mill off the shelf pain relief tablets/capsules.  If you have a headache in UK your most likely grab a paracetamol, its pretty mild, Ibuprofen is a much stronger pain killer and has a broader use it will get rid of headaches etc generally much quicker than paracetamol but is also anti-inflammatory.  I don't know for sure but the 2 main pain killers for LO's in UK are based on these ingredients, P can be taken from 2m and Ib can be taken from 3m but in much smaller doses.

Hope things continue to improve  :)
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